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Version 19.2 Deluxe: Best Method for Creating 3D Steel Building
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* March 18, 2013, 03:59:10 PM
Hello All,

I am attempting to create/draw a 3D Model of a commercial steel-building (like a brand-name "Butler"-building) with version 19.2 Deluxe.  Attached is a copy of my file; I just started.  At this time, I am mostly interested in the exterior Views.

I intend to place 3D windows, doors, etc.  There will be many editions/changes throughout the development of the plans.  I realize I am very limited by using Deluxe for this.

I want it to look it's best in Hidden Line Render, so I want to use siding with actual ridges, not just a Material that sorta' looks like siding when Quality Rendered.

My question at this time is:

I created the siding by assigning a Height to a Closed Polyline. There will be a lot of 3D Boolean Operations on this siding.  Also, I (think) I will be doing a lot of (2D?) Subtracting of windows and doors, and Inserting Blocks for those.
  • Am I going about this all wrong?  (keeping in mind that I am limited to working in Deluxe on this project)
  • Is using a 2D Polyline, Lineal-Copied, Copied Offset 1/16", then Closing and Auto-Join-Polyline- to form a Closed Polyline- then assigning a Height, the best way to go about creating the siding?  My system seems to struggle a bit when rotating Views- regarding the siding.
  • What is the best way to "Subtract" my Openings from the siding?

I'd appreciate whatever input.  Thanks- Alvin
 

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Alvin Gregorio
(mostly Residential Architectural 2D; no formal CAD Training; intermittent TurboCAD user since yr. 2000 [ver6.5])
---TurboCAD: V20.2PP(57.0)[as of 3/12/15]; V19DL(54.2); V11.2Pro; Windows-7-Pro/64-bit; Intel-Core-i3 CPU; 2.27ghz; 4GB RAM; Intel HD Graphics (CPU based)


* March 18, 2013, 04:38:30 PM
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I think the closed polyline/3D volume siding is overkill.  There's no practical reason for the volume over a surface for this use, IMO.  A box will subtract the window and door openings from the surface.   

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* March 18, 2013, 04:49:58 PM
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I think the closed polyline/3D volume siding is overkill.  There's no practical reason for the volume over a surface for this use, IMO.  A box will subtract the window and door openings from the surface.

I tend to agree with you Murray- on the "overkill" thing.  But I do want something to show the detail/ridges in the siding (in Hidden Line Render); I mean... without the ridges, it's a pretty boring looking mutli-million-dollar building (there's a bunch of offices and other industrial stuff going inside).

I would be interested in others' opinions/input, as well.

Thanks Murray.   -Alvin

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Alvin Gregorio
(mostly Residential Architectural 2D; no formal CAD Training; intermittent TurboCAD user since yr. 2000 [ver6.5])
---TurboCAD: V20.2PP(57.0)[as of 3/12/15]; V19DL(54.2); V11.2Pro; Windows-7-Pro/64-bit; Intel-Core-i3 CPU; 2.27ghz; 4GB RAM; Intel HD Graphics (CPU based)


* March 18, 2013, 05:24:00 PM
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I think the closed polyline/3D volume siding is overkill.  There's no practical reason for the volume over a surface for this use, IMO.  A box will subtract the window and door openings from the surface.

Now that I think about it, I think the most recent incarnation of the siding was created by:
  • Making a one-foot section with just a Single-Polyline; then Linear-Copying (X=1'); then Auto-Join-Polyline.
  • Then I Modified that long Polyline to assign a height.
  • The fact that it appears to have volume- I think- is that I selected Pen|Width|Scaling= World.
  • Then- I think- I Exploded that and it "became" a TC Surface.
  • I think.

Maybe I should just go with with steps 1 & 2; but leave Pen|Width|Scaling at "Device", and Width= ±.5pt.  With less surfaces and vertexes, it would sure be easier to work with.

-Alvin

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Alvin Gregorio
(mostly Residential Architectural 2D; no formal CAD Training; intermittent TurboCAD user since yr. 2000 [ver6.5])
---TurboCAD: V20.2PP(57.0)[as of 3/12/15]; V19DL(54.2); V11.2Pro; Windows-7-Pro/64-bit; Intel-Core-i3 CPU; 2.27ghz; 4GB RAM; Intel HD Graphics (CPU based)


* March 19, 2013, 07:53:41 AM
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Alvin not sure this is what you are wanting but to draw metal siding I would just draw a 2d of a slice of the siding you are going to use and do a simple extrude. I attached some clips Hope this might help. Carroll

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* March 19, 2013, 08:49:19 AM
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Alvin not sure this is what you are wanting but to draw metal siding I would just draw a 2d of a slice of the siding you are going to use and do a simple extrude. I attached some clips Hope this might help. Carroll

Thanks Carroll.  Don't know why Extrude escaped my mind; I was thinking Loft, and since Deluxe doesn't have Loft, I immediately left the notion of using 3D Objects.

Question:  Is there a reason, Carroll, that you only Extruded one 1-foot section of the siding, then (what appears to be) Copied that?  --As opposed to-> creating a 4' long Closed-Polyline to Extrude; or something super-long-  like 200'- to Extrude?

Question 2:  Does the resultant TC Surface that one gets from Exploding a Closed 2D Polyline with Height- or a single Polyline with World Scaling and Geometry with Height- (or the resultant TC Surface that one gets from Slicing the same 2D Entities) differ from a 3D Object created by Extrude?

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Thanks for the option and the example pictures Carroll.  I will experiment with that method (Extrude) before continuing much further in my steel-building model.

-Alvin

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Alvin Gregorio
(mostly Residential Architectural 2D; no formal CAD Training; intermittent TurboCAD user since yr. 2000 [ver6.5])
---TurboCAD: V20.2PP(57.0)[as of 3/12/15]; V19DL(54.2); V11.2Pro; Windows-7-Pro/64-bit; Intel-Core-i3 CPU; 2.27ghz; 4GB RAM; Intel HD Graphics (CPU based)


* March 19, 2013, 11:39:09 AM
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Question:  Is there a reason, Carroll, that you only Extruded one 1-foot section of the siding, then (what appears to be) Copied that?  --As opposed to-> creating a 4' long Closed-Polyline to Extrude; or something super-long-  like 200'- to Extrude?

Alvin I was just drawing something simple to show you. You can make it as long and wide as you like.

Question 2:  Does the resultant TC Surface that one gets from Exploding a Closed 2D Polyline with Height- or a single Polyline with World Scaling and Geometry with Height- (or the resultant TC Surface that one gets from Slicing the same 2D Entities) differ from a 3D Object created by Extrude?

Alvin the one think you need to remember in deluxe you are only working on surfaces NOT SOLIDS. If I am thinking right if you explode an extrude in deluxe you will not have a surface anymore, just lines. As far as scaleing and slicing there should be no problem it should stay a surface also add and substract from your extrude it will still stay a surface. I hope this may help a little Carroll

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TurboCad 14.2 Deluxe
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* March 19, 2013, 11:52:10 AM
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Question:  Is there a reason, Carroll, that you only Extruded one 1-foot section of the siding, then (what appears to be) Copied that?  --As opposed to-> creating a 4' long Closed-Polyline to Extrude; or something super-long-  like 200'- to Extrude?

Alvin I was just drawing something simple to show you. You can make it as long and wide as you like.

Question 2:  Does the resultant TC Surface that one gets from Exploding a Closed 2D Polyline with Height- or a single Polyline with World Scaling and Geometry with Height- (or the resultant TC Surface that one gets from Slicing the same 2D Entities) differ from a 3D Object created by Extrude?

Alvin the one think you need to remember in deluxe you are only working on surfaces NOT SOLIDS. If I am thinking right if you explode an extrude in deluxe you will not have a surface anymore, just lines. As far as scaleing and slicing there should be no problem it should stay a surface also add and substract from your extrude it will still stay a surface. I hope this may help a little Carroll

Hi Carroll- Thanks much for the detailed Replies.  -Alvin

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Alvin Gregorio
(mostly Residential Architectural 2D; no formal CAD Training; intermittent TurboCAD user since yr. 2000 [ver6.5])
---TurboCAD: V20.2PP(57.0)[as of 3/12/15]; V19DL(54.2); V11.2Pro; Windows-7-Pro/64-bit; Intel-Core-i3 CPU; 2.27ghz; 4GB RAM; Intel HD Graphics (CPU based)