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Is there any point in upgrading my desktop computer?
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March 13, 2013, 06:18:54 AM
I have a desktop on which I run TC19 Pro Plat. I was wondering if I should try to increase performance by carrying out any upgrades? I could upgrade to Windows 7 and maybe some additional memory? What do you guys think? I have shown the current spec of my computer below:

Operating System
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United States)
Installed: 01/10/2012 21:25:27
Processor a
2.40 gigahertz Intel Core2 Quad
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (4 total)
Not hyper-threaded
Drives
500.10 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
396.50 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

Controllers
Standard floppy disk controller
NVIDIA nForce 430/410 Serial ATA Controller (2x)
Primary IDE Channel [Controller]
Secondary IDE Channel [Controller]
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller

System Model
eveshamvale MS-7346 1.0
Enclosure Type: Desktop
Main Circuit Board b
Board: eveshamvale MS-7346 1.0
Bus Clock: 267 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. V1.0B3 07/30/2007
Memory Modules c,d
2048 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM1' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM4' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes
            
c: (NTFS on drive 0)   500.10 GB   396.50 GB free      

Display
NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS [Display adapter]
Default Monitor

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.


* March 13, 2013, 06:29:44 AM
#1
I would do both....  get additional RAM... 8GB min... and upgrade the OS to 64bit Windows... but only if you are going to use 64bit TC

If sticking with 32bit TC... upgrade the RAM to 4GB... and be done with it.

My two pennies.

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AMD Phenom 1090T
8GB RAM
Radeon 5450 1GB
Windows 7
Redsdk  - Off
Editing History - On
v19.2 Platinum, x64


March 13, 2013, 08:03:29 AM
#2
Upgrading to 64 bit comes into play if you want to build complex models otherwise with 2GB of RAM you can get an out of memory error when rendering.

But, if you do, make sure Windows knows about it as when I do a periodic reinstall of Win7 it reverts to the factory setting of 2GB on my 7GB machine and only 1 core.  To cure that and to speed up the boot, left click Start and type msconfig into the search. Click on the boot tab and then Advanced Options.  Click the Number of Processors radio button and select 2 from the pull down. Also click the Maximum Memory box to see above the original setting. Click OK to go out and reboot.

Can you still get Win7?  To me Win8 is just Win7 with a touchscreen overlay but with the new Start screen just an irritation.

I can recommend googling Crucial and use their advice thingy to check your machine and recommend additional memory at a reasonable price.

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Colin Reid
TC2018 Pro Platinum 64 bit  + LW plugin on Win10 desktop and  Quad Intel i7 with 32GB RAM + 128GB  SSD and 2TB partitioned hard disk, NVidia 2GB video


March 13, 2013, 08:10:26 AM
#3
Thanks Guys. I have noticed that my laptop which has Win 7 and 6gb memory seems to work much smoother than my desktop so thought it might be time for an upgrade. I've ordered and upgrade to win 7 Ultimate edition and have contacted Crucial about memory upgrades. Their memory upgrade thingy didn't seem to work for my machine.

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.


* March 13, 2013, 08:21:14 AM
#4
Go to newegg.com... or some similar site... and get some good RAM that will work in your system.

I prefer Corsair myself... but any brand will suffice, as long as it's not the economy stuff.. go for the high end modules.

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AMD Phenom 1090T
8GB RAM
Radeon 5450 1GB
Windows 7
Redsdk  - Off
Editing History - On
v19.2 Platinum, x64


March 14, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
#5
If you get Win 7 be careful which version you buy.
I got Retail box Home Premium.  It can take up to 16  gigs of RAM and that's saying something.
Other versions won't take much at all. So read the specs beforey ou buy.

Memory is like so many other things you  usually really do get what you pay for.
Corsair is good,   about memory, there is so much to know.  I never  - - ever - - ( did I say never?) mix memory.  Some guys  do and get away with it but I think that's like playing roulette.  Makers all have different speeds and protocols and even among  the same general specifications they can differ.   There's latency volts  timing yadda yadda.  Google around about memory and you'll see.
That difference can be a real headache maker.

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March 14, 2013, 11:09:03 AM
#6
Thanks Cliff, I got an upgrade for XP to Win 7 Ultimate which I'm led to believe will use up to 64 gb of memory and I'll probably go for 8mb so it should do just fine. I've used Crucial for memory in the past and fine their support is good. I'll probably get 4x2gb of memory so they should all be compatible (fingers crossed)  :)

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.


* March 14, 2013, 03:12:01 PM
#7
I'm led to believe will use up to 64 gb of memory and I'll probably go for 8mb so it should do just fine. I've used Crucial for memory in the past and fine their support is good. I'll probably get 4x2gb of memory so they should all be compatible (fingers crossed)  :)

From what I've read that could be a wise decision, assuming your motherboard is a rebadged MSI MS7346 (P6N SLI V2), 8Mb may be the maximum memory the motherboard can handle.

Andy
« Last Edit: March 14, 2013, 03:25:50 PM by Andy H »

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March 15, 2013, 03:35:09 AM
#8
Right, that's it!
Windows 7 Ultimate purchased. 4 DIMMs 2gb each ordered and awaiting delivery. Started backing up all files to an external hard drive in preparation to formatting drive and loading windows 7. I should be also getting my upgrade to TC20 Pro soon too so will be able to install that as 64 bit.

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.


March 15, 2013, 04:25:32 AM
#9
Right, that's it!
Windows 7 Ultimate purchased. 4 DIMMs 2gb each ordered and awaiting delivery. Started backing up all files to an external hard drive in preparation to formatting drive and loading windows 7. I should be also getting my upgrade to TC20 Pro soon too so will be able to install that as 64 bit.

Nice one Nick - keep us posted.  8)

Regards Tim
« Last Edit: March 17, 2013, 09:57:49 AM by Tim Stewart »

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You can design without engineering, but you cannot engineer without design.
Using Win 10 with Designer 2016/2017 and TurboCAD Pro. Plat. 2018/2019 + Lightworks (64-bit versions) + AnimationLab 5.2.
Windows 10 Pro 1903 (Build 18362.476) 64-bit


March 17, 2013, 05:41:32 AM
#10
Memory modules received from Crucial (very prompt service).
Installed this morning and scan using Belarc Advisor confirms all working OK:
Memory Modules c,d
3072 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM1' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM4' has 2048 MB
Also confirms that out of the 8gb available only 3 being used which was expected with XP. Still got to back up a few more files then will atempt to install Win 7 Ultimate and hope all drivers will work  8)

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.


March 17, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
#11
Hard drive formatted. That's it, no going back. Now where did I put those drawing files  :-\  ;D

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.


March 18, 2013, 06:01:48 AM
#12
Nickam

See my earlier post on the 3GB available ram.  Its why I learnt the lesson when I upgraded my memory and Win7 did not see it until poked.

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regards
Colin Reid
TC2018 Pro Platinum 64 bit  + LW plugin on Win10 desktop and  Quad Intel i7 with 32GB RAM + 128GB  SSD and 2TB partitioned hard disk, NVidia 2GB video


March 18, 2013, 07:18:52 AM
#13
Nickam

See my earlier post on the 3GB available ram.  Its why I learnt the lesson when I upgraded my memory and Win7 did not see it until poked.

Colin, On my system (specs. in my signature-line below) would you recommend the same?--  setting Msconfig|Boot to 2 processors?-- and what value should be input (in my system) in "Maximum Memory"?

Below is a screen-capture of my current setttings.

Thanks, Alvin


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Alvin Gregorio
(mostly Residential Architectural 2D; no formal CAD Training; intermittent TurboCAD user since yr. 2000 [ver6.5])
---TurboCAD: V21PP; V20.2PP; V19DL; V11.2Pro; Windows-7-Pro/64-bit; Intel-Core-i3 CPU; 2.27ghz; 4GB RAM; Intel HD Graphics (CPU based)


March 18, 2013, 08:36:27 AM
#14
Hard drive formatted. That's it, no going back. Now where did I put those drawing files  :-\  ;D

Nick,

glad to see you have taken the plunge.  Brave man!  I am sure it will work out okay.  ;)

Regards Tim


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You can design without engineering, but you cannot engineer without design.
Using Win 10 with Designer 2016/2017 and TurboCAD Pro. Plat. 2018/2019 + Lightworks (64-bit versions) + AnimationLab 5.2.
Windows 10 Pro 1903 (Build 18362.476) 64-bit


March 18, 2013, 08:44:22 AM
#15
All now installed included TC19 64 bit and Windows updates installed. Had to update the GPU driver to get Redsdk mode to work. Nice to have a computer back to bare bones without all the crud in it that accumulates over the years. Took Colin's advice on settings for the boot menu. Just have to see how it all now works!

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.


March 19, 2013, 05:42:26 AM
#16
Alvin

Tick the Maximum Memory box and your installed value should appear.  At a loss if it does not as it works for me.

Processor cores can be found from the following sequence Control Panel/System/Device Manager/Processors  (interesting as I thought my computer was dual core but is in fact quad).

Nickam

Goodoh.  Good luck and I hope it flies.

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regards
Colin Reid
TC2018 Pro Platinum 64 bit  + LW plugin on Win10 desktop and  Quad Intel i7 with 32GB RAM + 128GB  SSD and 2TB partitioned hard disk, NVidia 2GB video


March 19, 2013, 06:09:33 AM
#17
Alvin

Tick the Maximum Memory box and your installed value should appear.  At a loss if it does not as it works for me.

Processor cores can be found from the following sequence Control Panel/System/Device Manager/Processors  (interesting as I thought my computer was dual core but is in fact quad).

Nickam

Goodoh.  Good luck and I hope it flies.

Hi Colin.  When I "tick" the Maximum Memory box, the value appears.  That number is 4096.  In my system, would there be- what would be- a more optimal value for that?

Thanks, Alvin

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Alvin Gregorio
(mostly Residential Architectural 2D; no formal CAD Training; intermittent TurboCAD user since yr. 2000 [ver6.5])
---TurboCAD: V21PP; V20.2PP; V19DL; V11.2Pro; Windows-7-Pro/64-bit; Intel-Core-i3 CPU; 2.27ghz; 4GB RAM; Intel HD Graphics (CPU based)


March 20, 2013, 08:38:55 AM
#18
Alvin

Why would you want to reduce the maximum memory available especially if you build complicated drawings.  I would leave it at 4096.

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Colin Reid
TC2018 Pro Platinum 64 bit  + LW plugin on Win10 desktop and  Quad Intel i7 with 32GB RAM + 128GB  SSD and 2TB partitioned hard disk, NVidia 2GB video


March 20, 2013, 07:44:19 PM
#19
Alvin

Why would you want to reduce the maximum memory available especially if you build complicated drawings.  I would leave it at 4096.

Okay, I will Colin.  Thanks.  -Alvin

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Alvin Gregorio
(mostly Residential Architectural 2D; no formal CAD Training; intermittent TurboCAD user since yr. 2000 [ver6.5])
---TurboCAD: V21PP; V20.2PP; V19DL; V11.2Pro; Windows-7-Pro/64-bit; Intel-Core-i3 CPU; 2.27ghz; 4GB RAM; Intel HD Graphics (CPU based)


March 22, 2013, 03:53:08 AM
#20
Just a bit of an update. The new computer operating system (Win7 64 bit) working well and have been using TC20 for a day or two now. The old problem of the pan being a bit jerks has dissapeared so that is good. One problem with Win7 is that it keeps telling me that I can't save back to certain folders for such things as TC templates which I suspect is a security issue somewhere. I've got round that by creating folders in my user directory and setting the paths from TC back to those folders for templates. It's probably good housekeeping anyway as I can then get my cloud backup to just backup the one user file.
I rather liked the TC20 LTE workspace as I thought the idea of having the input next to the cursor a better idea. I have found though that when in the LTE workspace there seems to be some tools missing so have gone back to the inspector bar setup which I'd kind of got used to anyway after using TC for 18 months.

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.


March 22, 2013, 06:25:39 AM
#21

Hi Nick,

glad to hear it's up and running okay.

"so have gone back to the inspector bar setup which I'd kind of got used to anyway after using TC for 18 months."

Sometimes, it's better the devil you know!

Regards Tim

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You can design without engineering, but you cannot engineer without design.
Using Win 10 with Designer 2016/2017 and TurboCAD Pro. Plat. 2018/2019 + Lightworks (64-bit versions) + AnimationLab 5.2.
Windows 10 Pro 1903 (Build 18362.476) 64-bit


March 22, 2013, 07:18:54 AM
#22
Certainly is Tim  ;)

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Nick
(United Kingdom)
TurboCAD 20 Pro Platinum.
Windows 7 64 bit.