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TCAD is difficult
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* January 01, 2013, 08:36:56 AM
Unfortunately, this has to be some of the worst software on the market. Files will not open regardless of conversion techniques. I am leaving TCAD never to return. I actually hate this software and I will return to ACAD where things make sense. What a waste of dollars on this crap.

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* January 01, 2013, 08:41:58 AM
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January 01, 2013, 08:57:32 AM
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Any software as complex as CAD is going to take time to get to grips with. If we, as TC users were to start using ACAD, then we would get frustrated too.

Trying to convert a PDF is always going to be problematic. You can use a PDF as an underlay, but depending on the complexity, it is sometimes easier to convert a PDF to an Image to trace over which I have done in the past.

TurboCAD is a good tool, many of us use it daily and it is good value for money. It is not perfect but I don't think ACAD is either. I think you are trying to do something before understanding the interface and how to do things.

As the saying goes, patience is a virtue....

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January 01, 2013, 05:18:42 PM
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I'd sure like to have an extra $3000 to spend unnecessarily on software. The only reason I can see for Autocad is that other people think you have to have it.

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January 01, 2013, 05:33:04 PM
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You are right Mike.

Job hunting wise, ACAD is so much the norm here in the UK.

Maybe some of these companies think that paying more for software gets better results and think that anything else is inferior?

I know of one guy, who I have just got to know, jumped from ACAD to TC due to the price after he had been using it for 22 years. Not an easy transition as the workflows are very different.

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* January 02, 2013, 05:16:00 AM
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You are right Mike.

Job hunting wise, ACAD is so much the norm here in the UK.

Maybe some of these companies think that paying more for software gets better results and think that anything else is inferior?

I know of one guy, who I have just got to know, jumped from ACAD to TC due to the price after he had been using it for 22 years. Not an easy transition as the workflows are very different.

I used AutoCAD from v1.x thru v2004... and started using TC with v8. I wouldn't go back to using AutoCAD... no way, no how. I'd become a Walmart greeter first.  :D
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January 02, 2013, 05:51:41 AM
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January 02, 2013, 05:58:17 AM
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Greg

Just looked at a ACAD youtube vid.....

Making 3d walls from a 2d plan......don't know if the guy doing it is doing it the hard way, but making openings in the walls takes more time than using openings in TC. Draw a line from the basepoint to get the elevation, then draw a rectangle from the top of the line, then select pushpull and then select the rectangle and move the mouse pointer inwards to cut the opening. ???

What is the reason you would not go back to it then?

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* January 02, 2013, 06:06:05 AM
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I'd sure like to have an extra $3000 to spend unnecessarily on software. The only reason I can see for Autocad is that other people think you have to have it.
The price went up also last I look via AC website its $4195 for 2013 version. price of good used car,or house payment,TC can make better renditions. ;)

EDIT: Mike after looking over your pdf attachment TC is stronger with more capabilities than Ac.For the price of Tc its good software in a side by side comparison.Can't wait see in the up coming v20  8)
« Last Edit: January 02, 2013, 06:25:14 AM by wd »

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* January 02, 2013, 06:18:32 AM
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Unfortunately, this has to be some of the worst software on the market. Files will not open regardless of conversion techniques. I am leaving TCAD never to return. I actually hate this software and I will return to ACAD where things make sense. What a waste of dollars on this crap.
You just don't know how to use Tc.Its on the similar playing field as AC. Tc is utilize world wide in many different languages in many different fields of industry.With users in the thousands.If you can't come out  play with the big boys than don't get off the porch.

hasta la vista !!! :P

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* January 02, 2013, 08:13:28 AM
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Greg

Just looked at a ACAD youtube vid.....

Making 3d walls from a 2d plan......don't know if the guy doing it is doing it the hard way, but making openings in the walls takes more time than using openings in TC. Draw a line from the basepoint to get the elevation, then draw a rectangle from the top of the line, then select pushpull and then select the rectangle and move the mouse pointer inwards to cut the opening. ???

What is the reason you would not go back to it then?

I do mechanical design... so I can't vouch for the architectural differences... but for mechanical... TC has AC beat in most areas. The only thing I truly miss in AC is some of the 2D modify tools which can use a crossing polygon to select. Unless AC has changed a lot since v2004... there are many things that TC can do much better than AC... in both 3D and 2D.

Back in the 80's there used to be AC user competitions... not only locally but statewide/nationwide. A person was given a "widget" to draw and dimension with the monitor turned off... so you were doing this completely blind. A person that I worked at the university with and myself... we always came in either first or second... so we knew the program well. So for someone like me to jump ship and change programs... I must have been impressed... at least a little. I did a lot of cussing when first trying to learn TC, however... still do on occasion.  ;D

My 2 pennies of course.

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January 02, 2013, 08:42:10 AM
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WD

I have not seen anything in ACAD that I think wow, I wish TC could do that....

V20....what can anyone tell us about it???

Greg

Why would someone want to draw without the monitor on?......that would be just showing off!  :o

Yeah, TC is not perfect and we all get frustrated at times  :P

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* January 02, 2013, 12:07:59 PM
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WD

I have not seen anything in ACAD that I think wow, I wish TC could do that....

V20....what can anyone tell us about it???

Greg

Why would someone want to draw without the monitor on?......that would be just showing off! :o

Yeah, TC is not perfect and we all get frustrated at times  :P

Exactly... that was the purpose.  ;D

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January 02, 2013, 12:13:15 PM
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If you really want to show off  8)

Be Blindfolded.  ;D
And have your hands tied behind your back.  ;D



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* January 02, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
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Sounds like my honeymoon.  ;D

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January 02, 2013, 12:40:37 PM
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Yeah Greg

Its the new release from Imsi - "KinkyCAD - the best fun you can have with your clothes on!"  ;D

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* January 02, 2013, 01:02:04 PM
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Yeah Greg

Its the new release from Imsi - "KinkyCAD - the best fun you can have with your clothes on!;D

Nope... still sounds like my honeymoon.  8)

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January 02, 2013, 01:04:34 PM
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All I can say to that..... Lucky you!.... ;D

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January 03, 2013, 10:26:36 AM
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Think I'll ignore the reference to kinky CAD and just wait for the release  :-[
Anyway, as to the original post, it would be interesting to know how long Chuck has given himself to convert to TC and, in fact, which version he is using. I think I'm probably the person Darrel refers to in that I worked on Acad for 22 years and decided a year ago to go over to Turbocad and yes, it does take some time to get used to. And , yes it is frustrating at times as it is a different program and whichever program you transfer to there is a learning curve to go through. I went over to TC because it's so much cheaper than Acad and to be honest, once you've got used to the differences, it is just as good, and I only say 'just as good' as I've had no experience of the latest Acad. I will certainly stick with TC and I'm getting used to using the 3D facility which seems to work very well for the architectural work that I do and once drawn I can then save as an Acad drawing for other consultants to use in their Acad. I think I'm right in saying that Acad users can't open Turbocad .TCW drawings?

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January 03, 2013, 10:37:26 AM
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Hi Nick
KinkyCAD - is a good name don't you think  ;D

Yes, You are the person I was referring too. 22 years using a program you use for your work and then to start using something new is a challenge for sure and thanks for sticking with TC. Chuck I think was trying to jump before he could walk and lost his patience.

No I don't think native .TCW files can be opened directly in ACAD...unless someone can tell us differently... I think you probably save them as .DWG's don't you Nick?

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January 03, 2013, 10:46:26 AM
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It may increase their sales of TC to use that name Darrel :) (and I can't wait to see the box art ;D)
I convert to .DWG for other contractors but I usually use Drafsight which is a free CAD program just to check they have converted correctly. I think though that the latest TC does the conversion better as the release 18 left the dimensions styles a bit out and had to be converted in Drafsight for it to display correctly. I did get an old colleague of mine to try and open a TC drawing in Acad 2010 and he couldn't open it. It seems Autodesk are not bothered about opening other software!

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January 03, 2013, 11:00:58 AM
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Yeah Nick, their is a lot to be said about the name of a product.  :)

I think limiting software to the type of files is only going to put off customers I think. The future is in getting content off the internet is only going to increase, and the software we use has to follow this trend.
Closed systems only lead to frustrated customers.

I doubt ACAD will ever have a TCW conversion import/export function.

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* January 03, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
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Anyway, as to the original post, it would be interesting to know how long Chuck has given himself to convert to TC and, in fact, which version he is using.

According to a previous post Chuckc1 is (was) using v18 deluxe, which if comparing with full AC then whilst it is very cheap I doubt it could compare feature wise, of course Chuck may be comparing TC deluxe with AC Lite - I don't know.

But in the end its its about what one is used to, and whether one is comfortable trying to learn a different way of working, some people just don't take well to changing how they work - I know I don't.

Andy

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January 03, 2013, 01:32:03 PM
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Chuck,

I hope you come back to read the replies. I am retired now but have used AC, Revit, and  a Steel detailing/modeling software called SDS2 and TC.  Each have given me a learning curve to over come. Question- What Drafting field are you working? What are your cad needs?

I use TC for some work for old friends from time to time.  You spoke of conversion. I assume you talking about file format. We exchange 2000 dwg file with little trouble.

I suggest a free trial of IMSI TC LTE Pro 5. Similar to AC. Might serve you better.

The strength of this forum is the experience and support of the members. Better than any forum I have seen.

Hope you reconsider.

Pat




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* January 03, 2013, 03:47:34 PM
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Anything worthwhile seems to be difficult...

Need I say more?

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* January 03, 2013, 06:01:31 PM
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Departing Chuck expressed his desire to use TC to convert .pdf R/C drawings to .dxf and then scale them.  The 'conversion techniques' he was using must be like those Irish Catholic expressions of faith that used to be printed in the public notices of newspaper classifieds:  "This prayer has never been known to fail".   
« Last Edit: January 03, 2013, 06:06:47 PM by murray dickinson »

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