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* January 09, 2012, 11:55:36 AM
During customizing, (Customize -> Toolbars) I dropped the (Trace by Line) icon at the bottom of the list of icons on the left side of the screen and didn't see that it had the
  • showing, I had it hovering over the bottom of the others.

I since figured out that if I want to add one to the bottom, I need to drop it in the midst of others first and then move it to the bottom or it will disappear if the bottom is the first place it's sent.

So the question is, how can I get that back? It removes itself from the toolbar that comes up when you tick the box in customize and it is gone from the docked area.


* January 09, 2012, 03:40:26 PM
You can find the "Trace" tools at the "Tools / Customize—›Commands" page. Go to the "Tools / Trace" Category. Drag-n-drop a command to where it's needed.

John R.

V17—V21, 2015—2019
Designer, Deluxe, (Professional, Expert, Basic), Platinum
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Windows 10 Pro (1903), 64-bit

* January 09, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
Yes, exactly :)  Otherwise ..

..unless you drag it off the side toolbar and off the window that pops up while you are doing that, then you lose the thing totally. Gone forever. You can't find it in the palette again unless you reset the workspace. :(

I've also found that using the standard, non-themed UI is A LOT snappier. I'm using this in VMWare, and the UI performance had pretty much convinced me to give up. I had to click the menu and no move the mouse for 1-2 seconds and wait for it to "flick" it's 3D effect or whatever the heck it was doing otherwise whatever command I was near when it did that would happen and the UI was generally clunky and slow. Switching all that off and using the Standard UI it's like zip zoom zang. Done.

But ...

Customizing it is a bit trickier. You pretty much can't drag stuff around like having a theme on. It's a bit of a pain in the arse. Seems if I just pick up something and move it I have to name a new toolbar. Pick it up and move it again, I have to name another toolbar and of course I can't use the same name I gave it because well, that's taken. Even though it's only moving.

I can't figure out how to get rid of all the extra space and move whole groups of stuff, if I move each of those line/arc tools I have to create a new toolbar each time I move one. With the theme when I grabbed one of them - the rest of them came with it, and moving/reordering/etc. was all just as simple as sliding stuff where you wanted it.

But the smoother zippier performance outweighs that by far. Though it would be nice otherwise, to get back that inch of screen space on top.

The screen shot attached shows all the 'empty' areas in the palettes.


* January 09, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
Maybe the Standard Interface section of the Customize the UI Wiki page will help. The Standard interface is easy to customize, but there is a learning curve to the many do's 'n don't's.

  • The radio button on the Toolbars page should be set to "Standard" most of the time.
  • If you are trying to set up tools on the Drawing Tools toolbar, move it into the drawing area (temporarily) and make it horizontal. It's easier to place flyout toolbars onto it in this position.
  • Select the "Flyout" radio button when placing a toolbar full of tools into another. Grab the toolbar to the left of the first tool, then drag it into the other toolbar. You'll get your flyout and the original toolbar is still intact. Any changes to the original toolbar will be reflected in the flyout and vice-verse.
  • I skip the various Categories and go straight to [All Commands] section at the bottom, but this is a personal preference. I find that some tools aren't shown in their category.
  • Don't grab a toolbar by the Name Tab; it'll turn into a "Tabbed Toolbar". Drag it like you would for a flyout to reset it to a normal toolbar.
  • When you have customized the Toolbars, Menus, Keyboard (hotkeys), etc., go to the "Setup" page and save your workspace. I believe saving from one of the other pages, just saves the settings for that page. If you don't have a custom workspace saved, overwrite the name in the Save In field with a unique name, then click the Save In button.
  • Do Not select one of the supplied configurations and save to that. All your work will be gone if you Update or Reinstall.

The downside to the Standard UI:
  • You can't edit the tool icons. If there is only text for a tool, you can't replace it with an image like you can in the Themes' UI.
  • Palettes, as you discovered, can't be nested like the Themes' UI. It's not designed for multiple monitors, IMO. You can line them up side-by-side in a second monitor, but not as one group.
  • When palettes are floating in a second monitor, you have to drag them open every time you start the program.

You may want to look at the topic Layers Dialogue scroll niggle to create new layer. I shows some pix of palette layouts I have had in the Themes' UI.

John R.

V17—V21, 2015—2019
Designer, Deluxe, (Professional, Expert, Basic), Platinum
RedSDK enabled
Windows 10 Pro (1903), 64-bit