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Sink and Loft
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* June 28, 2020, 05:18:24 PM
I made another attempt at creating a bathroom vanity sink. I think this one turned out better, the lofts look a lot smoother.
This was started from scratch, but the size is huge for such a simple drawing. Does the shelling cause that.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2020, 05:45:37 PM by DonCW »

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June 29, 2020, 01:24:56 AM
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I made another attempt at creating a bathroom vanity sink. I think this one turned out better, the lofts look a lot smoother.
This was started from scratch, but the size is huge for such a simple drawing. Does the shelling cause that.
I just opened your file and saved within TC2020 (see attached).

I honestly don't know.   :o

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June 29, 2020, 02:58:11 AM
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I certainly did not get the same results.  I even tried the Purge command.  That's a puzzle.

Did you convert to TCSurface somewhere along the way?


Jeff

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* June 29, 2020, 03:12:10 AM
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I had the original template that was made earlier and started again, lofted it, shelled it, did an extrude for the drain hole and saved it. Again the file size was large, so I reopened the file turned off the 3D layer, saved the drawing again and the file size is now 155kb. I don't know why that happened.

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June 29, 2020, 03:19:24 AM
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I certainly did not get the same results.  I even tried the Purge command.  That's a puzzle.

Did you convert to TCSurface somewhere along the way?


Jeff

Nope.

Just opened and saved.

**Edit** Just opened and saved as v2018 file type, with the same resulting small file size.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 03:26:52 AM by Tim Stewart »

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* June 29, 2020, 03:59:03 AM
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I made another attempt at creating a bathroom vanity sink. I think this one turned out better, the lofts look a lot smoother.
This was started from scratch, but the size is huge for such a simple drawing. Does the shelling cause that.

Hi Don,
Is the attached what you are looking to achieve? >from your original Post :)
did you try what Andy recommended using the drafting palette> OR
In TC 2020 there's a FlatShot tool which produces an object similar to the drafting object  but is a bit quicker.
The center spline was easy to remove and you can even hatch it.

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June 29, 2020, 04:35:36 AM
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... so I reopened the file turned off the 3D layer...

I don't know what you mean by "turned off the 3D layer", but I selected the sink object on the SHELL level, Exploded it to get rid of the ACIS History and saved to a file that is 238,080 bytes.


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* June 29, 2020, 04:43:28 AM
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But the size is huge for such a simple drawing. Does the shelling cause that.

My observations. I tried in 2018, 2019, 2020.

2018. same as Tim 156 KB, tried various ways to increase file size my only manged to get it up to 600 KB.
2019 and 2020. Same as 2018 for wireframe save.  But. If I draft render and save whilst in render mode, the file size reached 4.4 MB.

The fact the thumbnail shows a rendered bowl, suggested you saved whilst rendered.  though in my 2018 it didn't make any difference, maybe because I have RedSDK installed in 2018.  There are check boxes in the save-as, and open file - setup dialog boxes affecting render view. 

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June 29, 2020, 04:46:37 AM
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One thing I've noticed:
   When doing a "Save..."  or "Save As...", if in the Setup option I activate the "Save Proxy Objects" option, that will cause the file size to be larger than if I DO NOT engage that option.

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June 29, 2020, 05:37:42 AM
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Saving, whilst in a rendered view, appears to create an overly large increase in the file size, for adding what is just a thumbnail.

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* June 29, 2020, 06:43:08 AM
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Saving, whilst in a rendered view, appears to create an overly large increase in the file size, for adding what is just a thumbnail.

Another oddity.  it is saving based on the size of the TC window.  I stretched the Rendered TC window across two screens, and managed a file size of 10.2 MB.  Shrinking the rendered window down. got the file down to 950 KB

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* June 29, 2020, 08:42:02 AM
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Saving, whilst in a rendered view, appears to create an overly large increase in the file size, for adding what is just a thumbnail.

Another oddity.  it is saving based on the size of the TC window.  I stretched the Rendered TC window across two screens, and managed a file size of 10.2 MB.  Shrinking the rendered window down. got the file down to 950 KB
Is this an oddity to my drawing or does it always happen.

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* June 29, 2020, 10:58:37 AM
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Is this an oddity to my drawing or does it always happen.

I have not done extensive tests Don. But I'd say most files in 2019 and 2020 show the behaviour,  if I save whilst rendered. (which I never actually do deliberately).   So its not a problem with your drawing. 

However, for me it only affects 2019 and 2020.  In 2017, 2018 saving any rendered file is only a few KB more in render view.  I haven't a clue what changed in 2019, or if there is a specific setting which may be triggering it. I did manage to save one file in 2020 where it didn't increase the file size, but I cannot replicate it, everything saved after that one file, increases a lot in file size. 

Moral of the story - don't save whilst the screen is rendered.  :)

## Edit ## I'm glad you brought this up Don. As it affects users of AnimationLab.  Al normally saves the file before recording a scenario (unless one tells it not to save file).  So I'll need to add a note in the AL help file. ## End Edit ##
« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 11:19:22 AM by Andy H »

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* June 29, 2020, 11:14:03 AM
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Is this an oddity to my drawing or does it always happen.

I have not done extensive tests Don. But I'd say most files in 2019 and 2020 show the behaviour,  if I save whilst rendered. (which I never actually do deliberately).   So its not a problem with your drawing. 

However, for me it only affects 2019 and 2020.  In 2017, 2018 saving any rendered file is only a few KB more in render view.  I haven't a clue what changed in 2019, or if there is a specific setting which may be triggering it. I did manage to save one file in 2020 where it didn't increase the file size, but I cannot replicate it, everything saved after that one file, increases a lot in file size. 

Moral of the story - don't save whilst the screen is rendered.  :)

Thanks Andy I'll keep that in mind.

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June 29, 2020, 12:01:12 PM
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Saving, whilst in a rendered view, appears to create an overly large increase in the file size, for adding what is just a thumbnail.

Another oddity.  it is saving based on the size of the TC window.  I stretched the Rendered TC window across two screens, and managed a file size of 10.2 MB.  Shrinking the rendered window down. got the file down to 950 KB

Thanks Andy.
I have reported this as a bug.
It's something that definitely needs resolving.

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June 29, 2020, 01:04:07 PM
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Regarding what Andy and Tim are reporting and discussing, does make any difference in file size dependent on what the Save as .tcw Setup options shown below are set to?

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* June 29, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
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Regarding what Andy and Tim are reporting and discussing, does make any difference in file size dependent on what the Save as .tcw Setup options shown below are set to?

HI Alvin.  Good thinking.  Yes it makes a difference in 2019 / 2020..  I created a simple drawing, Just a box with two holes in it.  I just tried various settings in 2018, all I could get was a file size change from 212 KB (plan view) to 266 KB (active view).  As this is just a preview image, I would not expect a huge file.

In 2020 its temperamental (for me).  When I first opened the file, it was set to active view. and file save was 3.8 MB. Plan view was the same.  So I set it to none, and the file was 221 KB.     Anyway. after switching things on / off a few times, And Closed and reopened the file, now plan view is 3.8 Mb, and active 270 KB.  and in all subsequent drawings, plan view is huge and active view small.  (Note all the saves were in draft render).

Why 2019/2020, is so different from 2018 I have really not go a clue.  Prior to 2019 it looks like plan view did a zoom extents and saved just the drawing - no white space. And saved as a sort of  thumbnail file. In 2019 / 2020 plan view appears to be ignored, it just takes a screenshot of whole view including the white space and the world coordinate x, y z. icon (if displayed),  And saves as a full size bmp image.

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June 30, 2020, 01:30:44 AM
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I agree with Andy's findings.  Perhaps, just perhaps, in TC 2018, it wasn't working as designed?   ??? 

This has now been fixed, and in TC 2019-2020, this is how it's supposed to work? 

Query:  On the File drop-down, is an option to Store Thumbnail.
Exactly, what is supposed to happen when this is selected, and to what benefit?

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* June 30, 2020, 04:52:03 AM
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Query:  On the File drop-down, is an option to Store Thumbnail.
Exactly, what is supposed to happen when this is selected, and to what benefit?

Help file isn't of use.  I tested it, and the only thing I can find that it does, is. Say one opens  a drawing and closes without saving. The old thumbnail is still there when one uses the 'open file' dialog. (file history thumb not the preview image)

If one opens the file. moves the view or object, and clicks save thumbnail, then closes without saving the file. the new thumbnail image will be displayed. Even though the actual file remains unchanged.

Surely it must do more that that. but I've no idea.

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June 30, 2020, 04:59:18 AM
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Query:  On the File drop-down, is an option to Store Thumbnail.
Exactly, what is supposed to happen when this is selected, and to what benefit?

Something can be gleaned here.
It's a post of mine.  I have forgotten most of this; I did a Google search:  "TurboCAD" "Store Thumbnail".

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June 30, 2020, 05:36:40 AM
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Andy & Alvin, thank you for the insight.

Wow!

In all my years of using TurboCAD, I don't ever recall noticing this feature, let alone actually use it.
I have now become so exited, that I'm going to have a lie down.

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