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May 20, 2019, 07:32:43 PM
I have been having issues working with TC 26.0 26.1. It is just moving slow, even just selecting tools is sluggish. I have red native draw engaged. I also have the cam plugin loaded. I was wondering if anyone else was noticing any sluggishness and if you think a reinstall might be warranted? Feels like turtleware.


* May 20, 2019, 08:21:09 PM
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Hi Don,
Did you change TC windows compatibility?


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May 21, 2019, 01:57:46 AM
#2
Hi Don,
Did you change TC windows compatibility?



Yes, I had changed it to windows 8 comparability so my status bar fields would show.


May 21, 2019, 02:31:26 AM
#3
I had problems with the CAM plug-in slowing program start considerably (40% longer) and crashes (0 without the plug-in to 4 or so per day with it).  I have not had the time to try the latest version of the CAM plug-in, however.


Jeff

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* May 21, 2019, 04:22:45 AM
#4
Hi Don,
Did you change TC windows compatibility?



Yes, I had changed it to windows 8 comparability so my status bar fields would show.

Try switching back to normal compatibility.
I recently changed compatibility to troubleshoot an issue with the redstuff plugin and experienced the slow UI.
It took me a while to final realize what was happening.


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May 26, 2019, 05:25:49 PM
#5
There is something seriously wrong with the latest version of TC2019 (v26.0.26.1).  Aside from things moving slow, I am trying to create a typical set of drawing for the tool post I posted in the gallery and it is taking endless amounts of time to create drafting pallet objects. Just making this single view from the main body took about 5 minutes to show up on the palette. I know it has threaded holes, but I have done many complex parts in the past without issue, and I am not so new to this rodeo that I don't recognize poor performance. I am getting very frustrated with this latest version.

Trying to insert the second drafting palette view of the same part and so far it is over ten minutes. Wonder if it is still calculating or it is stuck in an endless loop?????????????????????????????????...

So I tried in TC2018 and didn't any issue. TC2018 doesn't have Red, so I wonder if having Red in TC2019 is the problem???????????????....
« Last Edit: May 26, 2019, 06:03:43 PM by Don Cheke »

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May 27, 2019, 12:00:50 AM
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There is something seriously wrong with the latest version of TC2019 (v26.0.26.1).  Aside from things moving slow, I am trying to create a typical set of drawing for the tool post I posted in the gallery and it is taking endless amounts of time to create drafting pallet objects. Just making this single view from the main body took about 5 minutes to show up on the palette. I know it has threaded holes, but I have done many complex parts in the past without issue, and I am not so new to this rodeo that I don't recognize poor performance. I am getting very frustrated with this latest version.

Trying to insert the second drafting palette view of the same part and so far it is over ten minutes. Wonder if it is still calculating or it is stuck in an endless loop?????????????????????????????????...

So I tried in TC2018 and didn't any issue. TC2018 doesn't have Red, so I wonder if having Red in TC2019 is the problem???????????????....
Don,

    I think you may have hit the nail on the head!
    Easy to check?

Regards Tim

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May 27, 2019, 01:56:49 PM
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There is something seriously wrong with the latest version of TC2019 (v26.0.26.1).  Aside from things moving slow, I am trying to create a typical set of drawing for the tool post I posted in the gallery and it is taking endless amounts of time to create drafting pallet objects. Just making this single view from the main body took about 5 minutes to show up on the palette. I know it has threaded holes, but I have done many complex parts in the past without issue, and I am not so new to this rodeo that I don't recognize poor performance. I am getting very frustrated with this latest version.

Trying to insert the second drafting palette view of the same part and so far it is over ten minutes. Wonder if it is still calculating or it is stuck in an endless loop?????????????????????????????????...

So I tried in TC2018 and didn't any issue. TC2018 doesn't have Red, so I wonder if having Red in TC2019 is the problem???????????????....
Don,

    I think you may have hit the nail on the head!
    Easy to check?

Regards Tim


I ditched Red and still no difference with this version. Without others indicating similar issues, I doubt this will be resolved in my case. I find it frustrating when a whole version proves to be less than adequate. Shades iv V12....


* May 27, 2019, 05:42:04 PM
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Yesterday I had issues with 2018pp slowing down dramatically for no apparent reason. I experienced slow selection of all objects and traversing menu functions, these glitches occurred straight after an onscreen split second refresh. After shutting down and rebooting all is okay today.

Using redsdk graphics engine amd rendering in lightworks. No animation, cad cam or other add in use.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 05:43:52 PM by Darryl W »

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* May 28, 2019, 03:35:59 AM
#9
I have problems with TCP2019. For example - in 2D drawing I select text. Double click on it,  opens Properties window.  In TCP2018 it last ~ 2 sec. in TCP2019 ~10-12 sec. Other functions are also slowed down. After changing TCP2019 windows compatibility ( to Win8)  is OK, but only for some time. Problem appears again. Then I have to change compatibility again to Win10. I work in GDI mode.
Marek

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May 28, 2019, 05:07:56 AM
#10
I wasn't seeing a slowdown with 2019 until just recently.

I seem to have resolved it by copying and pasting to a new document (that reduced file size from 23MB to 16MB).


Jeff

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May 28, 2019, 05:42:59 PM
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I seem to have resolved it by copying and pasting to a new document (that reduced file size from 23MB to 16MB).

Maybe not... I added a standard complement of lights and the file size returned to 23MB.  That's a puzzle.


Jeff

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* November 15, 2019, 05:39:47 PM
#12
Has anyone found a solution to slow running TC 2019?

I just built a brand new computer:

9th generation Core i7-9700K
Asus Z390 Motherboard
Quadro P2000 Graphics Card
32 GB 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM
2) 1TB Samsung 970 PCIe M.2 V-NAND 3,500MB/s SSDs
Windows 10 -64 professional

Loaded TC 2019 Platinum, and its like I am on an old Windows 2000 computer. I need to use TC every day for work, and this is painful.  Like some of the posts mentioned above, I right click on a dimension, select properties, then 10 seconds of a spinning blue circle before the properties menu shows up. Major lags even when selecting just a straight line.

Click on the open file icon and the Wndows folder doesn't come up for 5-8 seconds, to even be able to select a file to open.  I can understand if there are issues with the CAD part of things, but opening a Windows file folder should be outside of the CAD part and shouldn't be slow.

The computer is lightning fast for everything except TC. It even boots up to Windows from a cold start in about 8 seconds.

Thanks,
Gregg.

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* November 16, 2019, 12:33:07 AM
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Hey Greg Im tipping that its related to  Windows 10 itself, on occasions in the last year Ive had slow going in both 2018pp & 2019pp.

Just recently  everything is going ok, but 2-3 months ago it was much slower than normal and then Windows updated against my wishes ( updates were disabled for 1 week only ) and turbocad started running faster, go figure.

If youve got rollback or restote points active and youve had enough then give them a try. Its been reported in the beta forum numerous times but development and the programmers cannot isolate the problem area, its a fundamental windows problem thats  persists from time to time.

Have you had turbocad on your system long enough to remember if it was faster at some point?

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* November 16, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
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I had TC 2018 Platinum on the old computer.  It was a 10 year old computer and it ran without any turbo lag. The motherboard failed and I had to build a new one. I upgrade to 2019 at the same time.  It is a brand new install of Windows, but it does list 3 cumulative updates.

Here is the conundrum. The old computer running TC 2018 Platinum was a very high end computer 10 years ago, the best that I could build. It didn't have any turbo lag in the windows interface aspects of TC, quite snappy opening properties windows, etc. but when a client would send me a 3d DWG model that was converted from Revit, the old computer couldn't navigate it or rotate it.  I mean it would, if a millimeter jog in the model every 10 seconds was what you call moving. Basically unusable. The new computer can manipulate these models somewhat. Jumpy but much better than the old one.  So every aspect of 2019 doesn't exhibit turbo lag.

I am going to install 2018 on this machine and see what it acts like.

Thanks,
Gregg

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November 16, 2019, 03:44:17 PM
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The new computer can manipulate these models somewhat. Jumpy but much better than the old one.  So every aspect of 2019 doesn't exhibit turbo lag.

That is typical for everything that isn't RedSDK.  It is the only renderer that can give me smooth rotation in Hidden Line or Draft Render modes.


Jeff

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* November 21, 2019, 09:55:02 AM
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It seems most posts here are about 3D and rendering but my speed issue is just with selecting an object and opening the Properties for that object, this task can take 10 seconds.  Other than that, the program runs quickly.   Is there something in the program that is trying to reference a drive or a website that it can't get to?

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* November 21, 2019, 03:36:46 PM
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It seems most posts here are about 3D and rendering but my speed issue is just with selecting an object and opening the Properties for that object, this task can take 10 seconds.  Other than that, the program runs quickly.   Is there something in the program that is trying to reference a drive or a website that it can't get to?

Have you noticed whether the delay is related to the kind of object you select?

Henry H

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* November 22, 2019, 01:52:45 PM
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My slowness issues are the same as dplascanada.  When right clicking any object, text, dimensions, even a single straight line and selecting properties, it takes a long time before the properties window opens.  But an even greater delay when clicking on the open file icon. Very long delay before the window shows up to allow the section of a file.  Once the file is selected the drawing opens very quickly.

Not sure that this could be a drive access delay issue as the drives are PCIe NVMe drives 3,500 MB/sec.

Gregg

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* November 22, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
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My slowness issues are the same as dplascanada.  When right clicking any object, text, dimensions, even a single straight line and selecting properties, it takes a long time before the properties window opens.  But an even greater delay when clicking on the open file icon. Very long delay before the window shows up to allow the section of a file.  Once the file is selected the drawing opens very quickly.

Not sure that this could be a drive access delay issue as the drives are PCIe NVMe drives 3,500 MB/sec.

Gregg

I see that exact behavior when running TC in compatibility mode > see my reply #4 at the top of this thread.
To see if you're running in compatibility mode right click on the TC icon go to properties go to compatibility.

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* November 22, 2019, 03:00:28 PM
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I just checked.  It is not in compatibility mode.

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* November 29, 2019, 12:51:17 AM
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Hello all,
I have the same problem with TurboCad, either TC 2019 Deluxe or TC2017 pro-platinum. I am using TC for 2D drafting only. Opening a window takes several seconds, for example, 3 to 4 seconds to be able to edit a leader. I have been using TurboCad for about 15 years and I did not have this problem before. I am working on a 1-year-old hp workstation with an NVIDIA quadro M2000 graphic card. I am also working with Rhinoceros which is very fast. So the problem is with TurboCad.
I have thousands of TC files on my computer. therefore it is essential to fix the problem.
Thank you for help.

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November 29, 2019, 12:59:56 AM
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Hey all...it's been a while since I've been around here. Tuned in to check about loosing the materials editor (there's a registry fix I've yet to do...ugh), and came across this thread. ME TOO!! Using 2015 Platinum and have the same ridiculous wait times for the properties dialog, and drafting palette is maddening. It sometimes takes me literally hours to generate one complex shop drawing. Generating the views is tolerable, but after filling a drafting page, moving around is so-ho-hum slow!, especially if I've already added a hidden line style to any of the views. Then also, making every change to the model takes many minutes, and only moved parts stay intact on the drafting page - if I've altered or added a part, it disappears. If the drafting palette is collapsed, each model move goes a little faster. I grumble at the screen a lot. The drafting palette has been slow ever since I've been using TCAD, from V16. Oh, and zooming onto a complex assembly is like ratcheting.

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* November 29, 2019, 04:18:14 AM
#23
If use Draft Palette, it do make a copy of whats inside the *.tcw file for every view you make, and file size get very big after short time.
I normally explode the views and delete them in Draft palette after that.
In view property we can check " render for print only " to make TC work quicker/ easier when it looks like we want, but if use TurboPDF queuee it need to be finish rendered before print.

Torfinn

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November 29, 2019, 07:08:03 AM
#24
On the Drafting Palette subject:  Greg T made a case  (and shared a PDF making his case and containing a brief tutorial) for using XRefs for Drafting Palette insertions.

That Post is Here.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2019, 07:36:26 AM by Alvin Gregorio »

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