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Problem: Printing to PDF. Black Only. Flexible Text. White Background.
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July 29, 2019, 07:26:59 AM
Hello All,

I was wondering if someone would want to give a try to a solution to this.  From the Drawing File's/Summary Info/Comments section:

"I wish to Print Flexible Text to PDF.
I want to print "Black Only".
I want a "White" background (for overlaying over other graphics), when printed."

I've tried various settings of "Convert foreground colors in accordance...", including that of the Drawing Setup and that of the individual Text and Multi-Line Text Objects.  No success.

Thanks-- Alvin

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* July 29, 2019, 07:45:03 AM
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Like in Attached ??

Torfinn

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July 29, 2019, 08:41:58 AM
#2
Like in Attached ??

Torfinn

If the settings for printing to PDF were "Black Only", then Yes, as you've shown it Torfinn.

I PDF print using a fairly reliable program named PdfFactoryPro.

What were your settings for the Text and "Convert foreground colors in accordance..."?  Can you share the .tcw file in version-20.

Thanks, Alvin

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* July 29, 2019, 09:06:29 AM
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No, it was not with Black only, used Normal in pdf printer.
Opions/ Background and turned off Convert ……

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July 29, 2019, 09:15:06 AM
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No, it was not with Black only, used Normal in pdf printer.
Opions/ Background and turned off Convert ……

Torfinn

Okay.  Thanks for the Try Torfinn.
I settled for changing the Text to Scalable, not Flexible, and sent it off to the Printer's for multiple sets.

Can anyone figure out the settings that would make Flexible Text work as I wanted it to when printing "Black only"?

-Alvin

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* July 29, 2019, 10:05:48 PM
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Hi Alvin I use white to mask things - so I never set the print to black.
You can change the print settings for a viewport  - if you use colour by layer.
 It is fiddly though.

In paperspace select the viewport
go to workspace - modelspace (floating)
in your layer palette there is a VP colour - select all your layers - except the white one -  and change the colour to black .
double click out of the viewport to go back to paperspace.
This does change the current layerset - which can get confusing - you can just switch back to your normal layerset.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 10:13:40 PM by nikkipollard »

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* July 30, 2019, 04:28:47 AM
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Hi Nikki

The issue is to do it with a Flexible txt, not a standard.
Scalable fix the issue, but dont have the look i asume Alvin wanted.

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* July 30, 2019, 06:40:45 AM
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Oh I thought it was a printing issue.
My solution works because you don't have to use the black and white print. because with a black and white print the texts background colour - white will print black.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2019, 06:47:51 AM by nikkipollard »

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* July 30, 2019, 07:41:25 AM
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Maybe it's because there are a lot of color on other Objects in drawing, but want only black in pdf.
Using Normal and turn of Convert ….. in Background will make it correct on txt, but also show color if there are on other Objects that have color.
Txt with no background and maybe check for Box in style will also solve it if paper is white, unless it's ment to overwrite something
Black only will overwrite all color settings from drawing.
Maybe a printstyle ??, but dont know if it's possible to do something with txt background there, as it's not a "brush"

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* July 30, 2019, 08:03:32 AM
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It works with Grey tint if that can be an option, circle in pic have blue brush in TC, Background >> Convert ….. = off

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July 30, 2019, 10:06:59 AM
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Thanks you two.  I guess what I was asking to achieve is not possible.

A few years ago, I happened to stumble upon the "Scalable" Text, with Text Box Background set to White, doing what I am asking for here (but here I am asking for it to be done with Flexible Text)

I typically print to PDF "Black only".  Black only is the standard in my area; I can't even imagine what multiple sets of multiple large sheets of building construction plans would cost to print in Color.

I have used Print Styles in combination with printing to PDF set at "Grayscale", then instructing the printing company to print "Black only".  But it was a lot to keep track of all the Objects' and Layers' settings.  I've used it for remodels and additions.

Below is a sample of how I use the White Background in a Scalable Text Box, and print to PDF, Black Only.

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* July 30, 2019, 11:22:15 AM
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My last pic show your original Flexible txt w/ white background.
As long as the color if there are any in the drawing is "strong" they will turn black, pink, light green, cyan etc will be grey when printer set to Grey Tint.
And i asume you have color in different layers/ Objects inside the drawing, why else should you need to use Black only, there have to be something in color there.
Luckily i dont need to care anymore, here they accept more and more color as long the drawing are easy to read.
In my walls i use yellow and 80 % transparant in the wallstyles for framework, never had any issues about that.
We dont have printing cost as everything will be delivered electronic to building dep.

So the only thing i miss in TC is option for 3D brush on architect objects when it comes to similar to HL render, as it is a PITA if needed to do it manually, just waste of time.
But i dont keep my breath when waiting for that :))

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* July 30, 2019, 10:32:03 PM
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Alvin my method is for printing - it is the method I use. Your drawing can have lots of colours. Set the print colour for the layers in the viewport. Then there is no need to print with the black setting.
It takes a few minutes to set up each viewport. You don't have to redo it every time you print.
For me Managing properties in  in a drawing using "bylayer" is efficient - once you get in the habit you wont go back to changing each item individually. No one has time for that.
On the section  I have used white lines  and hatch with a white background to hide unwanted lines , this saves time when I need to change the model and regenerate the section. -
« Last Edit: July 30, 2019, 11:25:27 PM by nikkipollard »

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July 31, 2019, 11:52:49 AM
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Hi Nikki.  I worked with your files.  And I re-read your original Reply (#6).

Yeah, that makes sense.  Your method is very similar to using Print Styles-- Setting Objects' Print Styles to "By Layer"; setting all but the "whipeout" Layer Print Style to a Black print style; then printing to PDF in Color; then instructing the printing company to print "Black only".

Thanks for taking the time and effort to share your method and files with me/us.  -Alvin

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July 31, 2019, 12:02:01 PM
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Uhh...  playing around with your file a little bit more Nikki, I discovered:

How do we change a particular Viewport's Layer's "Viewport Color" back to "by Layer" (or "not appliable", or something), once we have previously assigned a Color in a Layer's "Viewport Color"?

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* July 31, 2019, 09:40:17 PM
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MM I am not sure. I have never changed it back usually set up the coloured one make a copy of the paper space and change the copy.

 I tried changing the layerset back to all layers but it didn't work. I have the same problem with layer filters and exref drawings - I can change the colour one way but I cant reset it.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2019, 09:57:32 PM by nikkipollard »

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* August 16, 2019, 02:28:01 AM
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I think I might have discovered how to get your colours back to the viewport.

In the layers palette select a layer right click , go to  remove viewport overrides.
I still don't know how to restore the colours - when using filters though

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