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Unable to "save as PDF" in TurboCad Deluxe 2015
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* September 17, 2015, 01:12:21 PM
This thread may have been discussed previously but I have searched this Forum and am unable to determine the answer to the following. I Currently use TurboCad Deluxe 2015. I require to save my drawings to PDF but by using this function the drawings become distorted and unusable (Note: This occurs even with the LightWorks Plugin installed). I have never had this problem before with previous versions of TurboCad Deluxe. I was not initially aware that this version of TurboCad had this issue but it would appear this function has been removed (I would like clarification that this has actually taken place and why). My only option at present would appear to have to revert back to Version 21  - unless there is an easy fix to this situation. Note: A suggestion was made to use "CutePDF" but this makes no difference to my predicament.

Any help and suggestions appreciated.

Iain   

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* September 17, 2015, 02:00:25 PM
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If you'd be more comfortable with v21, go ahead and install it. You do not have to uninstall v2015 first; it's OK to have several TCad versions on the same machine. Use whichever version suits you better.

Henry H

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* September 17, 2015, 11:26:59 PM
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The next issue then with reverting to Version 21 is that the drawing undertaken in Version 2015 is not recognised in version 21. Unless there is an easy fix to this that I am not aware of, starting the drawing from scratch appears to be the only option.

Reverting to a previous version of Turbocad is not really the situation I wish to find myself in. Firstly the money spent on upgrading versions and secondly, eventually the version used becomes obsolete.

Any other help and assistance appreciated.

Iain

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September 18, 2015, 01:02:13 AM
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Iain,

is there not a option (TurboCad Deluxe 2015) under File "Save As", to select from the drop down menu to revert/save to a previous version, i.e. v21?

Give it a try.  I don't have Deluxe, but, live in hope that it's the same as Pro/Platinum.

Regards Tim

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* September 18, 2015, 07:53:57 AM
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Iain,

is there not a option (TurboCad Deluxe 2015) under File "Save As", to select from the drop down menu to revert/save to a previous version, i.e. v21?

Give it a try.  I don't have Deluxe, but, live in hope that it's the same as Pro/Platinum.

Regards Tim


Yup, it is. Here's a shot of 2015's "Save as type" choices...

Henry H

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September 18, 2015, 12:25:36 PM
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Thanks Henry.

Regards Tim

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* September 19, 2015, 01:35:51 PM
#6
Thank You Henry & Tim

Whilst the issue is now resolved in respect of being able to view and save drawings as a PDF in Version 21 the question still remains unanswered as to why this function has apparently been removed from TurboCad Deluxe 2015.

Iain

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* September 19, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
#7
Thank You Henry & Tim

Whilst the issue is now resolved in respect of being able to view and save drawings as a PDF in Version 21 the question still remains unanswered as to why this function has apparently been removed from TurboCad Deluxe 2015.

Iain

It is still available in my 2015 Deluxe 32-Bit installation.

Henry H
« Last Edit: September 19, 2015, 01:59:31 PM by Henry Hubich »

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September 19, 2015, 03:20:41 PM
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I require to save my drawings to PDF but by using this function the drawings become distorted and unusable (Note: This occurs even with the LightWorks Plugin installed).

First off, you are better Printing to PDF (using any of the free PDF Printer Drivers, although I favor CutePDF because it has no watermarks or advertising).

Second, even with the Lightworks module installed, you will still get lousy results out of any Paper Space prints if RedSDK is selected in any of your Viewports.  Check the rendering mode for every viewport and change it to Lightworks.


Jeff


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* September 19, 2015, 05:05:53 PM
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I require to save my drawings to PDF but by using this function the drawings become distorted and unusable (Note: This occurs even with the LightWorks Plugin installed).

First off, you are better Printing to PDF (using any of the free PDF Printer Drivers, although I favor CutePDF because it has no watermarks or advertising).

Second, even with the Lightworks module installed, you will still get lousy results out of any Paper Space prints if RedSDK is selected in any of your Viewports.  Check the rendering mode for every viewport and change it to Lightworks.


Jeff

Jeff,
A little more of an explanation please :P :)
can you post a drawing or an example of what is happening?

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September 20, 2015, 12:15:43 AM
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Dean,

As of V2015, Viewports in Paper Space that use the RedSDK settings will not render properly when you print.  This is why I bought the Lightworks add-on.

You can see the setup for the highlighted Viewport in the attached images.  The associated PDFs (Render) and GIFs (Render Detail) demonstrate the differences.  Note that the RedSDK Render Detail is very low resolution, while the Hidden Line renders are smooth.

The recommended workaround is to make your renders in Model Space using RedSDK and save them at a high enough resolution to insert into another document.  I don't have other software that can create the document forms I need, so I create my documents in TurboCAD Paper Space and use Lightworks so that I can print in detail.

Hope this explains everything.


Jeff


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September 20, 2015, 12:21:58 AM
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Whilst the issue is now resolved in respect of being able to view and save drawings as a PDF in Version 21 the question still remains unanswered as to why this function has apparently been removed from TurboCad Deluxe 2015.

IMSI has made the decision to transition to RedSDK (there are a lot of positives to this decision, but also some negatives, as evidenced by my previous post).  I have seen some amazing images and real-time manipulation on Redway's site.

I eagerly anticipate TurboCAD implementing this capability more fully in coming versions (especially the 3D rendering speed after rotating an object).  Not everyone agrees with me (truth to tell, I agree with some of their reasons for disagreeing with me).

Until then, there are going to be some birthing pains.


Jeff

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* September 20, 2015, 05:43:54 AM
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Dean,

As of V2015, Viewports in Paper Space that use the RedSDK settings will not render properly when you print.  This is why I bought the Lightworks add-on.

You can see the setup for the highlighted Viewport in the attached images.  The associated PDFs (Render) and GIFs (Render Detail) demonstrate the differences.  Note that the RedSDK Render Detail is very low resolution, while the Hidden Line renders are smooth.

The recommended workaround is to make your renders in Model Space using RedSDK and save them at a high enough resolution to insert into another document.  I don't have other software that can create the document forms I need, so I create my documents in TurboCAD Paper Space and use Lightworks so that I can print in detail.

Hope this explains everything.


Jeff

Jeff,
The PDF's are identical.
Are you hitting "F5" in paperspace to refresh? activate the paperspace by clicking in the screen area then hit F5. This will clear up the TC image.The fuzziness is only visible in turbo and doesn't get transferred to the PDF.

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September 20, 2015, 10:46:56 AM
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Dean,

The PDFs are not identical (one is 73K and the other is 75K).  The Render Detail images are screen caps of the two PDFs zoomed in on the card extractor that has been modeled.  <F5> only re-renders in TurboCAD, it doesn't do the same thing in Adobe Acrobat Viewer.


Jeff


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* September 20, 2015, 12:05:51 PM
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Jeff, I think what you are referring to is that The redsdk HL PDF is a raster and the LW HL PDF is a vector. at page view they are pretty darn similar. It all depends on what you need/want. Redsdk HL doesn't print a vector PDF, only a raster PDF. You can print a HL/HL even without the LW plugin installed so there is the option for producing a vector PDF if needed.  You can print viewports Redsdk draft and quality render styles to PDF as images.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2015, 12:15:53 PM by Dean »

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* September 20, 2015, 12:15:55 PM
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Jeff & Dean
           You have lost me now with the previous responses to the "Save as PDF" thread.

To go back to my original query - When I saved a (Turbocad Deluxe 2015) drawing to PDF the result was extremely distorted and unusable. I never had an issue with Version 21 and any previous versions in saving files to a PDF. Whilst I set the GDI setting when originally installing this latest version and installed the Lightworks plugin I have subsequently altered, where I can see, other properties to "Lightworks". One thing gleaned from the comments of this thread.
My PDF saved Drawings have greatly improved as a result. However, they are still not of the quality of previous Versions of TurboCad.
A simple circle when saved as a PDF has a break in the line. Any hatching undertaken within the circle and saved is as rough as anything at its edges. I am at present unable to achieve smooth lines and smooth hatching when saved in PDF. There is obviously something else I should be altering but a present not sure what that is.
   
If I could find how to attach a picture of what I am describing it may make more sense.

As always keep the comments coming.

Iain   

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* September 20, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
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If at all possible post the drawing, Iain
It's the best way to get any sort of help 8)

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September 20, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
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Jeff & Dean
           You have lost me now with the previous responses to the "Save as PDF" thread.

Dean and I are off on a tangent.  He thinks that the lower resolution RedSDK renders are acceptable when printing to PDF; I do not.

To go back to my original query - When I saved a (Turbocad Deluxe 2015) drawing to PDF the result was extremely distorted and unusable. I never had an issue with Version 21 and any previous versions in saving files to a PDF...
My PDF saved Drawings have greatly improved as a result. However, they are still not of the quality of previous Versions of TurboCad.

As I said in my first reply, I think you are better off installing a PDF Printer Driver (such as CutePDF) instead of Saving As PDF.

That said, it is not uncommon for functions that worked in one version of TurboCAD to stop working, or to work differently, in subsequent versions.  I have my own opinions as to why, but unless and until IMSI decides to hire me to manage their software development, I don't really know who, or what, is responsible.
   
If I could find how to attach a picture of what I am describing it may make more sense.

To attach an image or file, click Reply (or Quote, as preferred) to open up the text window as you normally do.  Below the text window, you will see Attachment and other options.  Click on it to expand.  I click on the "Notify me of replies." radio button so I get an e-mail when the thread is updated.  If I want to attach an image or file, I do that in the Attach: section by Browsing to the picture or file I want and selecting it.


Jeff


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* September 21, 2015, 03:09:47 AM
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Folks
          As discussed - Two documents attached.

PDF saved results from Turbocad Deluxe 2015 where there are no smooth lines in either the line drawing nor the hatching
PDF saved results from Turbocad Deluxe Version 21 where there are smooth lines in both Line drawing and hatching.

What requires to be tweaked on set up of version 2015 to enable the results achieved in Version 21?

Any assistance in this matter appreciated.

Iain

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September 21, 2015, 03:39:42 AM
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Iain,

do you have an example .tcw file, that you could post?

Regards Tim

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September 21, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
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Ian,

Look at Reply #10 and let us know which rendering engine you are using.

Or upload your .TCW file.


Jeff


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* September 26, 2015, 02:45:30 AM
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Tim / Jeff
              As requested - TCW File attached.

Note: Turbocad Deluxe 2015 / Lightworks Plug in installed / 64 Bit / Native Draw - set to GDI

Any conclusion to this issue appreciated.

Iain

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* September 26, 2015, 02:21:26 PM
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I tried your file in my Vista workstation, in Deluxe 2015, in both RedSDK and GDI. When I saved as PDF, the lines came out smooth.

I also tried it in my Windows 10 laptop (Deluxe 2015). The PDF also came out smooth, but the display would show jaggies (momentarily) when moving it around in Acrobat Reader.

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* September 26, 2015, 07:22:09 PM
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Tim / Jeff
              As requested - TCW File attached.

Note: Turbocad Deluxe 2015 / Lightworks Plug in installed / 64 Bit / Native Draw - set to GDI

Any conclusion to this issue appreciated.

Iain
Iain,
I think what you might be doing is a "save as" pdf your viewport in paperspace, correct?
You have the viewport set up totally wrong, it's way to small.
I can "save as pdf from Modelspace and everything looks good, It's a vector pdf. I can also 'save as pdf a viewport that has been created correctly from paperspace,everything looks good. It's a vector pdf.

Try this>
from modelspace do a "save as" pdf using the attached options set up.


« Last Edit: September 26, 2015, 07:36:39 PM by Dean »

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* September 26, 2015, 10:51:38 PM
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To go back to my original query - When I saved a (Turbocad Deluxe 2015) drawing to PDF the result was extremely distorted and unusable.

The two PDF attachments were saved using TC's PDF format in TurboCad Deluxe 2015 in GDI mode. I don't how the quality compares to the files you've saved in earlier versions, but these look clear. 
« Last Edit: September 26, 2015, 11:35:21 PM by DonCW »

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