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* February 24, 2015, 09:45:58 PM
I have a trial version of the new Turbocad platinum on my computer.
The quality render styles are grayed out. Is this a setting?

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Nikki
TC20 platinum
TC 2015 platinum
TC 2017 with lightworks


* February 24, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
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I see in the help file that lightworks rendering is only available with the lightworks plug in . seriously?

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Nikki
TC20 platinum
TC 2015 platinum
TC 2017 with lightworks


* February 24, 2015, 10:18:06 PM
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LightWorks no longer comes with the program. They want people to use the RedSDK rendering tools, but most people do not. Now they're forcing you to use it and you have to pay for the luxury of using LightWorks. A poor decision by the owners in my opinion.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2015, 10:34:18 PM by John R »

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V17—V21, 2015—2019
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* February 24, 2015, 10:26:10 PM
#3
Thanks John.
I wish I had known before I preordered.

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Nikki
TC20 platinum
TC 2015 platinum
TC 2017 with lightworks


February 25, 2015, 02:00:29 AM
#4
LightWorks no longer comes with the program. They want people to use the RedSDK rendering tools, but most people do not. Now they're forcing you to use it and you have to pay for the luxury of using LightWorks. A poor decision by the owners in my opinion.

At the present time, that's not very encouraging.  :(

Regards Tim

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* February 25, 2015, 03:58:28 AM
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LightWorks no longer comes with the program. They want people to use the RedSDK rendering tools, but most people do not. Now they're forcing you to use it and you have to pay for the luxury of using LightWorks. A poor decision by the owners in my opinion.

Hi Nikki, John & Tim,

Requires serious consideration before purchasing the upgrade. In the past there have been many posts where the User strikes a problem and the recommended solution was to get out of RedSDK and go back to using GDI. For the same reason I don't use RedSDK.

Also when purchasing Platinum I want access to all the tools and functions. I do not wish to purchase an extra plug-in to return functionality that was available previously.

I was following Rudl's post about the new Conceptual Selector in 2015, Dave Taylor posted some additional info, pls refer link below

https://turbocaddoc.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TC2015UG/Conceptual+Selector+Details

The sentence from the User Guide seems to indicate the Conceptual Selector is only availabe when using RedSDK
Using RedSDK imposes certain restrictions. the Conceptual Selector can be displayed only in RedSDK windows. When objects in non-RedSDK windows are edited, it will automatically force the classic selector mode to be used.

Steve

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TurboCAD 2016 Pro Platinum 64-bit (build 57.2)
Lightwoks Plug-


February 25, 2015, 05:50:21 AM
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* February 25, 2015, 06:33:50 AM
#7
Wow, what were Imsi thinking, fortunately it won't be in the UK for a while so I've time to have a long think about this, as I've never used RedSdk and don't really want to.

Can I ask a question though, if Imsi or the beta people can answer, what about all the old drawings that used lightworks materials if one can't afford the plug-in, will they all become restricted to v21 or earlier.

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* February 25, 2015, 06:41:30 AM
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The option to buy the Lightworks Plug In shows up in your shopping cart when you select to buy or upgrade
to 2015.
Question-  I have only used Deluxe in the past and I am now upgrading to 2015. Does RedSDK require a graphics card? If so, it may be cheaper to buy the plug in rather than a new graphics card.
But Andy brings up a good point about previous drawings that used Lightworks materials which needs to be answered, as this will determine whether one will need the plug in or not.

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February 25, 2015, 08:11:14 AM
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Wow, what were Imsi thinking, fortunately it won't be in the UK for a while so I've time to have a long think about this, as I've never used RedSdk and don't really want to.

Can I ask a question though, if Imsi or the beta people can answer, what about all the old drawings that used lightworks materials if one can't afford the plug-in, will they all become restricted to v21 or earlier.

I am afraid that will be the case.


* February 25, 2015, 08:25:14 AM
#10
The option to buy the Lightworks Plug In shows up in your shopping cart when you select to buy or upgrade
to 2015.
Question-  I have only used Deluxe in the past and I am now upgrading to 2015. Does RedSDK require a graphics card? If so, it may be cheaper to buy the plug in rather than a new graphics card.
But Andy brings up a good point about previous drawings that used Lightworks materials which needs to be answered, as this will determine whether one will need the plug in or not.


Better yet, find an older Pro Platinum version. Quickly, before the price of such a gem goes sky-high ;-)

Henry H

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February 25, 2015, 10:34:31 PM
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Question-  I have only used Deluxe in the past and I am now upgrading to 2015. Does RedSDK require a graphics card?

TurboCAD Pro 21 made use of my previous NVidia graphics card, but a test that I ran (summarized here: http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,8615.msg89527.html#msg89527) indicates that the new NVidia graphics card in my new system provided most of the improvement in rendering speed, so don't skimp too much.


Jeff

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* February 26, 2015, 05:34:30 AM
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After installing the new version I quickly noticed the lack of quality rendering in GDI mode. I figured this was IMSI's attempt to force people to move to Redsdk. I have played around with Redsdk in every version since it was first included and always found it to be buggy.

My work involves a combination of mostly 2D electrical drawings for machine design and occasional 3D design for machine parts. One of the issues I have always had with Redsdk is that it completely chokes when a drawing has a large amount of text objects with a True Type Font selected. Panning and zooming slows to a crawl with single digit FPS.

I assume, with this forced move to Redsdk, I will have to use text.shx for all text in the future. Redsdk doesn't seem to slow down with shx fonts. Rendering still seems to be glitchy, though.

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* February 28, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
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The option to buy the Lightworks Plug In shows up in your shopping cart when you select to buy or upgrade
to 2015.
If the option was offered when I pre-ordered I certainly didn't see it and the plugin is still not listed as available for purchase.  I looked back at the announcement/offer of the upgrade and could not find anything that indicated Lightworks would not be available in v. 2015.  At this point I do not dare open any of my old projects (v. 21 Pro Platinum) in v. 2015 because if I save them I can't open them in v. 21 again.  I have been using TurboCad since v. 4, including every upgrade since v. 10 and this is the first time I have felt that I have been deliberately mislead. >:(

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* March 01, 2015, 06:35:48 AM
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Henry, I recently did just that. I found a New In Box TC20 Pro Platinum on e-bay for a great price.
          And I also convinced my employer to upgrade to the new TC 2015, since IMSI is offering it for a great introductory
          price. Now I have more that I need, with TC 20 Plat and TC 2015 Plat, but at least my older drawings will be safe.

    It's seems that the elimination of Lightworks from the standard issue is upsetting lots of people. That and the fact
that it is not mentioned in the literature. The only way I found out about it is during the checkout process when upgrading to
2015. Lightworks plug in is also being offered at a good price during the roll out of 2015. But that is the only place I see the option to buy the plug in. With any luck, IMSI will offer it at the same price to those that have already upgraded.
    I have attached a screen shot of my checkout screen which show the Lightworks plug-in option. I have blacked out the
prices because that is taboo here.

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* March 01, 2015, 07:50:03 AM
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Henry, I recently did just that. I found a New In Box TC20 Pro Platinum on e-bay for a great price.
          And I also convinced my employer to upgrade to the new TC 2015, since IMSI is offering it for a great introductory
          price. Now I have more that I need, with TC 20 Plat and TC 2015 Plat, but at least my older drawings will be safe.

    It's seems that the elimination of Lightworks from the standard issue is upsetting lots of people. That and the fact
that it is not mentioned in the literature. The only way I found out about it is during the checkout process when upgrading to
2015. Lightworks plug in is also being offered at a good price during the roll out of 2015. But that is the only place I see the option to buy the plug in. With any luck, IMSI will offer it at the same price to those that have already upgraded.
    I have attached a screen shot of my checkout screen which show the Lightworks plug-in option. I have blacked out the
prices because that is taboo here.

Are you the same Jason from the Sales desk @ IMSI?

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DonCW
2017 Pro with Light Works Plug in
2018 Platinum

Windows 10
There's so much to learn and not much time left to learn it.


* March 01, 2015, 08:05:27 AM
#16
DonCW, no I am not that same Jason. I have no direct affiliation with IMSI other than sending them money to buy
their products.

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* March 01, 2015, 08:07:53 AM
#17
The option to buy the Lightworks Plug In shows up in your shopping cart when you select to buy or upgrade
to 2015.
If the option was offered when I pre-ordered I certainly didn't see it and the plugin is still not listed as available for purchase.  I looked back at the announcement/offer of the upgrade and could not find anything that indicated Lightworks would not be available in v. 2015.  At this point I do not dare open any of my old projects (v. 21 Pro Platinum) in v. 2015 because if I save them I can't open them in v. 21 again.  I have been using TurboCad since v. 4, including every upgrade since v. 10 and this is the first time I have felt that I have been deliberately mislead. >:(

That's not a problem, 'cuz 2015 allows you to save in v21 format. All you have to do is remember to choose that option ;-)

Henry H

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March 01, 2015, 09:01:53 AM
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That's not a problem, 'cuz 2015 allows you to save in v21 format. All you have to do is remember to choose that option ;-)

Henry H

That leads to a question I've wondered about for a while.

If we "Save As..."[a previous version], continue working on the drawing, then just "Save", is that file now/still in the previous version?

•Alvin

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* March 01, 2015, 09:15:43 AM
#19
Isn't there a issue with the material in v2015 cant be used in v 21 if you save as v21 from v2015, or are i totally wrong ??

Torfinn

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* March 24, 2015, 08:01:55 PM
#20
http://www.turbocad.com/TurboCAD/TurboCAD-Windows/Plug-ins/LightWorks-Plug-in-for-TurboCAD#9970262-lighting--luminance

$199.99 to add a feature that I already had in v21 plat. This really annoys me. I think I want a reimbursement on my so-called "upgrade". So for $300.00 you get a few iimproved features and they take out a major feature that you already had.


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March 24, 2015, 08:42:31 PM
#21
For me, the primary improvement in 2015 is that every core is now used in photorealistic renderings, significantly speeding things up.

I decided against the LightWorks plugin when it was $100 cheaper than now because I wasn't that invested in editing older drawings (and I have V21 on my system), but now I am distressed by the problem with materials (I suppose I'll learn the new lighting setups with a bit of effort).


Jeff

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* March 25, 2015, 02:11:53 AM
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I also opted not to buy lightworks. My rendering skills are bad in any program anyway. I managed to get an OK (ish ) render in Redsdk with little effort but was unable to save the render to jpeg unless it was poor quality anything else gave an error. Not really good enough for what I need.
Also the not being able to explode hidden line viewports is a huge pain.
So now I am rethinking my decision.
I think this is the last upgrade I will ever do.

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TC20 platinum
TC 2015 platinum
TC 2017 with lightworks


* March 25, 2015, 04:01:46 AM
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The usage of the redsdk feature got no more pleasant this morning when I was trying to work on a huge (11 MB) dwg file.
Even after translating it to a tcw file, I got crashes after I got an "out of memory" warning.
I am still a user of 32 bit system because of other older softwares.
I tried my tcw 21 with redsdk, and got the same bad experience.
So I am really unhappy, I purchased 22, was surprised no more to get the lightworks feature in the software and found out that I should rework the materials to redsdk materials. I changed the screen management driver, but this was not a problem.

Missing is  the beam analysis which was in 21 plat.

Next time, don't trust blindly to IMSI anymore. :-[
« Last Edit: March 26, 2015, 03:41:41 AM by Leo67201 »

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March 25, 2015, 11:30:28 AM
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I have noticed that, with my new 64-bit computer, more RAM is consumed just 'sitting' there, even with the older 32-bit software running (such as Word and Excel 2003).

Files that I was able to render on my old Win7Pro 32-bit system with 2GB of RAM using TurboCAD V15 were not able to render on my old system when I upgraded to V21 because I ran out of memory.  This is most likely because V21 is larger than V15.

Another problem I had was that moderately simple files I created on my new system (Win7Pro 64-bit w/16 GB RAM) using V21 64-bit could not be rendered (or even opened, in some cases) with TC V21 32-bit.  This was due to the 32-bit limitation on memory access.

On the plus side, I have had no noticeable problems running 16 year old software designed for WinXP on 64-bit Win7Pro, so I would be surprised if your "other older softwares" could not run on a 64-bit system.  Specifically, UltraEdit V8, Protel 99SE (both from 1999), Office 2003 & Adobe Photoshop Elements 9 all run fine, although I did have to go into Administrator mode to register a couple of them.

So... I would suggest that you upgrade to a 64-bit system (Win7Pro, however, not Win8) and install all your older software; they should work fine.

Two caveats:

a]  32-bit TurboCAD uses a different code base than 64-bit TurboCAD.  I know this because: 1) there are different text strings used as warning results between the two versions; 2) for some objects, Selection Info will have a different description of the same object; 3) some functions will only work on the 32-bit version of TurboCAD or the 64-bit, but not both.

b] the default program that is tied to the .TCW suffix will be the last version you installed.  So, if you plan on using 64-bit TurboCAD 2015 most commonly, install it last.  I have 64-bit V21, 64-bit 2015 and 32-bit 2015, in that order and I was unable to re-assign the default to 64-bit 2015 even after editing the Registry.


Jeff

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* March 25, 2015, 11:13:36 PM
#25
Yes I could,

But I am using 4 GB of RAM. and acc. to the task manager still there is 1 GB free when this happens.

And I don't want to redo all my configuration just because of that.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2015, 11:31:18 PM by Leo67201 »

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March 26, 2015, 01:23:37 AM
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Task Manager only updates every second or so (maybe not as fast), so quick memory allocations & releases may not be displayed.  I once noticed a spike from slightly less than 4 GB to somewhere around 9 GB while TurboCAD was rendering, but only for one reading and then it was gone.

Perhaps this is what is happening to you.


Jeff


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* March 26, 2015, 01:40:31 AM
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I even was not rendering at all, it was a heavy but only a 2D drawing.

I opened the drawing designer and changed the width of the lines ... then TC got blocked, the message arrived.

Actually my complaint is about tc 22 using Redsdk.

TCW is working fine with smaller files, but what is really unacceptable is that, in the contrary of the past I could print rendered pictures using lightworks, but with redsdk it is not possible to print rendered pictures.
When I watched the "nice" version comparaison tables this morning, I noted again, that nowhere it was shown that Lightworks was taken out of the software.

I am deeply sorry to feel obliged to say here that IMSI will not see my money for buying the lightwork plugin.

 >:(
« Last Edit: March 26, 2015, 08:24:02 AM by Leo67201 »

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March 26, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
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Actually my complaint is about tc 22 using Redsdk.

... what is really unacceptable is that, in the contrary of the past I could print rendered pictures using lightworks, but with redsdk it is not possible to print rendered pictures.

Others have been complaining about this, too: http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php?topic=16285


Jeff


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