Sorry I should have said Henry, the main design was done in Turbocad and the distortion to a more organic shape was done in Moi with the Deform Flow command where you can distort one solid around another, you can also twist the finished solid. I have said this a number of times and will plug again, wish IMSI had Michael Gibson from Moi onboard for some of the more organic solid routines, as the combination of both Turbocad and Moi3d has great potential.