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autocad versus turbocad
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* February 03, 2010, 11:21:08 AM
I just started to learn autocad as a backup and was wondering if someone out there also uses turbocad and autocad. I do not know if I just know turbocad so well that I like it and hate autocad or just don't know how to use autocad well enough yet to make  that decision.  Is it easier to use turbocad than autocad or is it that I just don't know it well enough? Right now I do not like the way it works.

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Frank Zangari ASID


February 03, 2010, 12:25:02 PM
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AutoCAD's command line interface allows a skilled user to be much faster than is possible by moving a mouse and selecting icons.  It takes a lot of effort and time to become a skilled user.

TurboCAD does allow the user to avoid the mouse for most commands by using the Windows <Alt> key to navigate the Menu structure using only key presses, plus SEKEs and Hot Keys, but it isn't as fast.

I am not extremely skilled with either program and, even if I were, I wouldn't be fast.  I haven't used AutoCAD for quite some time.  I have read that it's 3D modeling capabilities are falling behind TurboCAD's.

Jeff

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February 03, 2010, 07:27:04 PM
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I use both TurboCAD and AutoCAD Frank. I learned to draft with TurboCAD, so learning AutoCAD felt a bit strange to me also. Now I can switch between the two easily. I think learning AutoCAD really helped me to become more efficient when working with 2D in TurboCAD. I have my SEKEs setup to work similarly in both programs. Ultimately TurboCAD offers many more tools for both 2D and 3D.

Regarding 3D modeling, TurboCAD is the winner hands down in my opinion.

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BradE [ dean3Design ]
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February 04, 2010, 04:19:28 PM
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First of all I would like to say hi to all my old friends here on the forum.  I haven't been an active participant for quite some time but that will change.

I've been using TurboCAD since v8 and still frequently use my current v14.2.  I retired after 43 years of farming last year and have since gone back to school and am studying drafting and design.  At school we have been using AutoCAD 2009 and currently using 2010.  I also have limited experience with Solid Works.  Currently I am in my third semester working toward an associate degree in drafting and trying to expand on my self-taught knowledge in this field.

From my experience in using both programs here are my observations:

TurboCAD wins hands down in functionality (especially with 3D) but loses in stability.  AutoCAD rarely crashes or freezes up which is a major criticism I have of TC.  In fact, I've only had one freeze up with AC since I've been using it.  I suspect this is one of the main reasons AC is common among commercial users of CAD programs.

Both programs can do essentially the same thing but the operation of each is quite different.  Other than understanding the concepts of drawing with CAD, my experience with TC was of little help in learning to use AutoCAD.  It was almost like starting all over again.

At this point, I haven't gotten into 3D modeling all that much with AutoCAD but from what I've seen so far AutoCAD does not match up with TurboCAD when it comes to creating photorealistic renders.  I may find that to be different as I gain skill with AC but at this point and from what I have seen others have done with AutoCAD, my vote has to go with TurboCAD.

There are operating features of both programs that I really like.  I love the dynamic input capability that AutoCAD has which helps keep your eyes on the screen rather than having to keep my eyes on the inspector bar as in TurboCAD.  Then again I miss the SEKEs that TurboCAD has (especially the snaps).  With AutoCAD your snaps have to be set up beforehand (quadrant, midpoint, center, etc.) and this does cause some annoyance when your cursor tries to snap to everything it comes in proximity to while you are drawing.  TurboCADs keyboard control of your snaps is a much better method.

AutoCADs use of layers is much better in my opinion.  Anytime a layer is selected, the properties of that layer stay with that layer and never change unless you go into layer controls and deliberately change the settings.  The active layer will also not change when drawing unless a deliverate layer change is made.  TurboCAD will change layers with different tool selections and this often results in drawing on the wrong layer if one is not careful.

In short, I wish I had a CAD program that had the best features of both.  That definitely would be a winner in my book.

My opinions only-  Jim

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http://penn.emaxcess.com



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* February 04, 2010, 07:17:13 PM
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First of all I would like to say hi to all my old friends here on the forum.  I haven't been an active participant for quite some time but that will change.



It's good to hear from you again, Jim. Thanks for sharing your impressions of TCad vs ACad.

Henry H

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February 04, 2010, 08:39:41 PM
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First of all I would like to say hi to all my old friends here on the forum.  I haven't been an active participant for quite some time but that will change.

Welcome back Jim. It's nice to hear from you. I hope the rooster is letting you sleep in a bit now you've retired the plow.

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BradE [ dean3Design ]
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* February 05, 2010, 01:11:00 AM
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Personally I have never liked AutoCAD a great deal, mainly because it preserves a structure that is still not particularly intuitive and that makes it very demanding for new users.

AutoCAD is widely used as the drawing engine for many other specialist drawing applications especially in the electrical schematic and panel builder environment. That is rather a mixed blessing but has ensured that AutoCAD keeps a very high profile.

The 3D functionality in AutoCAD is a bit of a bolt-on and it certainly does not feel truly native in any way. The true 3D environment from Autodesk is Inventor. This is serious 3D design but of course needs really deep pockets.

TurboCAD is far better than AutoCAD from the point of view of a new user, being much easier to learn but it lacks the speed advantages that come with familiarity. In general AutoCAD users become progressively faster whereas TurboCAD users do tend to hit a productivity ceiling. However that rather depends on whether you work in 3D or 2D. If you model in 3D right from the outset then TurboCAD has the edge.

The big negatives in TurboCAD are flexibility of output, stability and modelling accuracy. I have used Inventor, Pro Engineer and Solidworks. All are true parametric solid modellers with powerful modelling tools, very high precision, high drawing efficiency, intuitive 2D output without the need to create views and very good native rendering.

The problem of course is that most of us don't have pockets even remotrely that deep so, for the money, TurboCAD is a very good product and ahead of AutoCAD in native 3D design especially for a new or casual user.

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February 05, 2010, 02:36:10 AM
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I'm working for about 30 years with CAD programs now.
First in DOS with self written 2D/3D CAD software.
Then the WIN 3.11 2D and 3D software,
The first Autocad 2D software (where is the time...)

And then the first TurboCad v9.2 for all my 2D drawings.

Last year I upgraded to Turbocad v16.0 only reason is,
use of my old saved TC drawings, now for 2D and 3D as well CAM work.
I also followed in 2009 a Autodesk - Autocad 2010 and inventor course.

In all the years I use CAD programs I never had so many troubles as with TC v16.
At least 2 shut down a day and extreme use of memory problems...
but all my drawings are in TC so ... I live with it.

Never had shut down with Autocad never.

Conclusion:
I think TC is great software and I like to work with it, more than I like Autocad.
Only a bit more help, respect and quick response from IMSI will be nice.

Here in Belgium as a professional freelance user I do not find work for TC,
there is a lot of work for Autocad.

TC will be nice ... one day.

Greetings,
Marc

« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 02:38:07 AM by marc_256 »

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greetings from belgium (Pajottenland)
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February 06, 2010, 02:50:26 PM
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First of all I would like to say hi to all my old friends here on the forum.  I haven't been an active participant for quite some time but that will change.



It's good to hear from you again, Jim. Thanks for sharing your impressions of TCad vs ACad.

Henry H

Henry, great to hear from you also.  Ever since I have retired I have gotten real busy with school going on and trying to keep up with the few clients I currently do occasional work for.  Going back to school is a blast and I really enjoy being around the young folks and observing how much things have changed since you and I were youngsters.

My wife is doing her best to keep me busy but so far I've successfully outsmarted her with my excuses.

Jim
http://penn.emaxcess.com

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February 06, 2010, 03:03:11 PM
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First of all I would like to say hi to all my old friends here on the forum.  I haven't been an active participant for quite some time but that will change.

Welcome back Jim. It's nice to hear from you. I hope the rooster is letting you sleep in a bit now you've retired the plow.

Hey Brad, how's it going?

As to that rooster, I ate him one Sunday long ago.  Trouble is, I've been accustomed to awaking at 5:30 AM for so long I can't get myself out of the habit.   

I've been doing some work for a company in Winnsboro, LA that makes parts for commercial ice cream machines and heat exchangers.  They are upgrading their machine shop to ISO certification and needed all their hand drawn shop sketches put into CAD format.  They already had TurboCAD and it seems that the only person for miles around who was familiar with it was me.  I've already done over a hundred drawings for them and have around 75 more to go.

They called me in for an interview and even offered me a job.  Since I am retired, I told them I didn't want a job but would be willing to do some work for them on an hourly basis.  It turns out that proposition was exactly what they wanted in the first place.  This gives me something to do without having to worry about bursting my SS earnings limit.

Take Care,
Jim

http://penn.emaxcess.com

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February 06, 2010, 03:30:49 PM
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Hey Frank,

I'm in the opposite situation, a long term (15 year) AutoCAD user learning TurboCAD and I'm having similar frustrations.  I don't know if this helps you with AutoCAD or not but AutoCAD tends to think in the "Verb/Noun" command order.  That is to say, it generally wants to know the command to initiate before the objects are selected.  I've had a hard time getting used to selecting my objects first then initiating the command as in TurboCAD.  That's one of many differences. AutoCAD is probably the single most powerful 2D CAD packages there is (Sorry no offense to TC) and has several different ways to accomplish the same goals. I think this is meant to make it easier to use and adapt to be used as a basic CAD engine for other software packages. But this can also make it harder to learn since alot of times different people will tell you different methods for the using same command.

AutoCAD lacks sorely in 3D capabilities out of the box, which is one reason I switched to TurboCAD.  I'll say I looked at upgrading AutoCAD, or switching either to DataCAD, Vectorworks Architect, or TurboCAD.  TurboCAD impressed me with the way they seem to actually update their product often, have impressive Architectural tools and 3D capablilities out of the box, and for a price that absolutely cannot be beat. It's command sequences and sometimes command names also tends to work the same as most other CAD and graphic illustration programs, while AutoCAD seems to go out of it's way to be different than all other programs.

So here I am learning TurboCAD like you're learning AutoCAD.  I will say that it's nvever a bad idea to learn as many CAD programs as you can.

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