I am not in need of photo realistic rendering, I am just doing residential architectural drawings. So I do not need materials, necessarily, on my walls but I would like to show for example, horizontal lines for siding some sort of hatching for the roof shingles, maybe some round rock type pf hatching for the chimney etc. Would it be best to do this as a hatching or is there a way to just have materials or textures set up as line drawings somehow? And if I do it as a hatching, is there a way to hatch a wall facet and have it not cover the windows without me having to trace a perimeter all the way around all the windows and everything I don't want hatched?

How about a "Wrapped "T" or "S" Stripe" material?

what is you final image going to be ?

If your just doing Hidden line, and wanted a hatch, you might get away with hatching an exploded drafting palette object, then put it on the front of the wall. could be quicker than tracing the doors and windows.

Wrapped T or S stripe material as cladding.
It look terrible in Horizontal hatching, if you are in a distance and not use very thick lines you get just dot's, depending on distance, in other word useless, Vertical is not to bad.
At least on my machine , and i got "wisiwig" when printing.
In P Space, zoom in/ out until it looks ok, until you got the line to your like and then print, it will print the full page anyway even if you dont see everything.

It is better to hatch in P Space based on a Hidden Line render, and using L45 Hatch ( the first one ? in Hatch menu) as you can adjust the angle to fit the view angle.
To make life easy, use Isometric or Dimetric view's ( 30 or 15 degree )
If there is gable walls you will need to draw "boundaryline" with a polyline for it

Torfinn

In this old video, (looks like version 11), he is just clicking on walls and having the hatch applied: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDqRk3EarfQ&t=29s

That does not work for me...

It is an 2D drawing they are use for hatching in that Movie.

Torfinn

It is an 2D drawing they are use for hatching in that Movie.

Torfinn

Sorry, I missed that.
Thanks everyone for all the replies, this seems a lot more difficult than I would have imagined. But I guess I am missing the obvious... the simple solution is just to trace out the perimeter of the hatch and be done with it.
Thanks again.

I'll ask here JohnH, but I could also ask in your other topic thread regarding screens:

What is your intent on final presentation? Wireframe? Hidden Line Render?  Quality Render?  Are you going to use Paperspace(s)?
Are you going to have any Isometric or other non-standard orthographic views?

One day Turbocad will listen and this will be possible.

I am not in need of photo realistic rendering, I am just doing residential architectural drawings. So I do not need materials, necessarily, on my walls but I would like to show for example, horizontal lines for siding some sort of hatching for the roof shingles, maybe some round rock type pf hatching for the chimney etc. Would it be best to do this as a hatching or is there a way to just have materials or textures set up as line drawings somehow? And if I do it as a hatching, is there a way to hatch a wall facet and have it not cover the windows without me having to trace a perimeter all the way around all the windows and everything I don't want hatched?

I agree with John R,
Lightworks has the "Wrapped' shaders.
see attached > all the textures were created using the Lightworks shaders.
Brick
roof
pavers
T stripe
and more.
 > If you're looking more for a typical "Line drawing" you could also use the "section/elevation' tool.Explode the sections then hatch the areas.
Printing at high resolutions helps in both cases.


"t look terrible in Horizontal hatching, if you are in a distance"

Hey old buddy,

There's an "Advanced" Raytracer in the AR LW render styles, you can adjust the anti aliasing.
For "quality" render style you can adjust the scale.
The attached image looks ok. I didn't adjust anything. I used the AR style raytrace.
It all depends on what you "want" to do, I guess 

I'll ask here JohnH, but I could also ask in your other topic thread regarding screens:

What is your intent on final presentation? Wireframe? Hidden Line Render?  Quality Render?  Are you going to use Paperspace(s)?
Are you going to have any Isometric or other non-standard orthographic views?

I am thinking I would be presenting elevations and floor and roof plans and maybe some cross sections once I get that figured out. I would print them using hidden line render in viewports put into paperspace. I might want a few perspective views especially on a home with a more complicated roof etc or just to look cool. But I don't see a real need at this point for the quality rendering. I just like black and white line drawings hopefully with some shading.
I have been a user of Turbocad for many years but only using 2d stuff for shop or working drawings and occasionally designing homes that I am contracting to build, (I am a residential home design/build contractor).
I just thought it was time I took my understanding of TC a step further and venture into the 3d world. I wish I did enough of this to warrant purchasing Revit or one of the others but right now I will stick with this. I do hope that some of the skills I am learning with TC will be transferable if I want to cross over into one of the "real" architectural drafting programs later, (or maybe TC will become one of those at some point in the near future). Thanks for the question.

Hei gamle Ørn

I talk about in a "bird" perspective if that word can be used, Isometric, Dimetric or similar views, not the direct front of an elevation and trust me, a way thinner lines than what you have in your example, the thickness of the lines there make me think of a drawing in a child's  coloringbook, just terrible, and if you do this i example in a for real world heigth of the cladding, like about 3.5-4.5-5.5 ".visible
And of course i can take out a view, draft or section, explode it, clean it and hatch it, it all comes down to how many hour's should i use to make a presentable 3D view drawing that not look's like it come's from a coloringbook in 3D

Torfinn

Hei gamle Ørn

I talk about in a "bird" perspective if that word can be used, Isometric, Dimetric or similar views, not the direct front of an elevation and trust me, a way thinner lines than what you have in your example, the thickness of the lines there make me think of a drawing in a child's  coloringbook, just terrible, and if you do this i example in a for real world heigth of the cladding, like about 3.5-4.5-5.5 ".visible
And of course i can take out a view, draft or section, explode it, clean it and hatch it, it all comes down to how many hour's should i use to make a presentable 3D view drawing that not look's like it come's from a coloringbook in 3D

Torfinn

Hey old buddy, 
i love it 

> Show me something from your coloring book.

9.5" beveled siding looks about right.



 

Hei gamle ørn

I dont have a coloringbook, i give up that project loooong time ago, last time i tested it was when you give the tip of L45, and it was for a earlier customer, he have now changed to ArchiCAD, because of this and moldings on door/ Windows.
Actually i talk with him today, and ArchiCAD is not so much better exept for door/ windows he say, comperred to his use/ needs, for sure it was not worth the 10 times higher pricerange, just a tip
This guy was/ is drawing about 200 project pro annum, multiply this with maybe 4-8 hour and we can figure out how many hour that going down the drain. ( and yes, he is a workaholic in my opinion, he like to draw

That said, local government here is start to change, now they accept color render to show the siding, i do that and have HL in elevations without the siding lines, at least in my area, so i guess it is not long time before they do this "everywhere".

But still it should be possible in my opinion
Attach a pic of the project i work on now, note that all the lines are with 0 thickness, why is it so difficult to get this on siding's or other "Hatch" ??

Torfinn

Thanks old buddy, 

Here's another one from my coloring book. 

One image is a screen grab from TC model space and the other was saved to a higher resolution.

Hei gamle ørn

Sorry still look like a coloring book to me , and i am basically talking about HL, not any Advanced render stuff, just plain simple HL with a "Hatch" or something like that

Torfinn

I didn't read every comment above so forgive me if this has been covered already. I hatched the attached drawing in paper space with the L45 hatch and hidden line pen. the seem is actually under the window but you can't see it due to the hidden line. These elevations are generated from the drafting pallet and not viewports but it should work the same either way.

*edit. This is actually a stucco home so I didn't take the time to add corner trim or remove the pop outs. Just demonstrating the technique that I would use on a sided home.

Hei gamle ørn

Sorry still look like a coloring book to me , and i am basically talking about HL, not any Advanced render stuff, just plain simple HL with a "Hatch" or something like that

Torfinn

Hey old buddy,   HL,doesn't render a pattern
Attached image is not AR render, raytrace full 3 secs.    AR gives more options but when you "save as" it's different.
You make it look how ever you want, line thickness/shading.
Can you post an example of how you would like it 

Hei gamle ørn

I dont have an example of it, as i cant make it, and that is what i complain about

The line's should be thin, just like they was in the HL i post, HL' ish is maybe a better word as it dont need to be HL, but it should be simple to attach and sort of " out of the box ", no adjustment needed at all.
And i use HL as an example as this is only B/W, next step up in TC give color and that's fine as we need that to "sell" the product to the customer, but government dont want/ like it when we should apply for the permit.
And it is the linethickness that make it look like a coloringbook for me, even if the last pic you attach is not to bad, i still want the lines of the cladding/ siding look thinner and not so dominant as it is now, it look a bit as the "rendable/ hidden line" is checked, what i call cartoon render.
And the size of the siding you use on that small house push up the coloringbook look in my opinion, so maybe that is an issue too in my head, who know

Torfinn

Then i made a quick examplewall with brush, attached is in RedSDK Hidden Line, non rendable is checked.
If i then want to have color i go for a higher render and untick the non rendable
Something like this i wish to achive in a simple way, not need to use a closed polyline, subtract openings etc, it should all happen "automatic", if i check a selectionbox or something.
And because it is a brush, i can very quick and easy change pattern if wanted.

Torfinn

Edit; Just added a backgound color if someone like that, it is still HL

In JohnH's version-2017ProPlatinum, is it possible to Explode Hidden Line Viewports (assuming that he doesn't have the LightWorks add-on; I think he said in another thread that he does not).

Nope, it is not possible to explode a HL viewport in v 2017 PP ( RedSDK )

Torfinn

But we can explode a HL draft

"And the size of the siding you use on that small house push up the coloringbook"

Hey old buddy, are you saying my house looks like a coloring book  that's 9.5" lap siding, 5" lap siding is to busy,maybe good for a doll house 
But I make the 5" lap siding for you.

> anything else you would like to see different. 

Once you get the shaders how you like, you'll have them for future use, like a ppm, eh.

Hei Gamle ørn

Yes, i think it looks like a pic in a coloringbook, didn't help to much with 5 inch.
The cladding lines are way to strong and to thick, but i guess it is a matter of preference and like.
Anyway it is not what i want.
I have made the same "thing" myself, but i dont like it and by that i dont use it

Torfinn

Hei Gamle ørn


The cladding lines are way to strong and to thick.

Torfinn

Hey old buddy, how much thinner can I go before you don't see them 

Hatching is usually associated with elevations, these days we think that we can do anything.
I think Sketch up started this trend.

These are for print, not zooooming in 

Hei gamle ørn

About to1/20 i think
The print is "wisiwig" and it dont look nice, i am not talking about the zigzag when zooming in, that is btw possible to adjust if i dont remember wrong, but then with a longer rendertime and i dont like that either

I dont care what it is Associated with as long as get it like i like and that is something similar to the Hatch i showed, what it should be called is up to the people that make it.
You see, in my crazy head i am convinced that it is possible to make it with Hatch, as long as i can make it manual, it is possible to make Automatic too, it is just about the time for hard coding and $ of course.
Other CAD programs have it or similar to it, so why not TC ??

Torfinn

Could this be an option using wall components with elevation offsets?
See Attached:

Yes Darrel, but it is limited, i think to remember it is max 20 component in a Component wall, hence Kai's sug some years ago for 100 component, but that will not help with Vertical cladding or the Deluxe and Expert users.

Torfinn

I am with Torfinn on this. Coloured rendering is nice but it doesn't pay the bills.
 First and foremost 2d representations of 3d models should be a cad programs priority. (IMO)
Years ago I bought Turbo floorplan. I was able to specify a hatch representation for roofs and walls in elevationand section in the same way that you can specify a hatch pattern for the plan view.
I don't really need the model itself to have a hatch pattern when viewed in 3d but it would be nice when you use the section/ elevation tool that the generated section was more intelligent.
I want it to be able to produce different line thicknesses as well as hatches automatically. All that information can be stored in the wall style the same way that the 3d materials are. This ability needs to be able to work with xrefed drawings too.

Your system ,Dean, is almost what we need to achieve but the lines are way too thick and dark. Think old school, blueprints, drawn by hand.

This is a great discussion and really gets to the heart of the question.
I like the line: "Coloured rendering is nice but it doesn't pay the bills".
In architectural drawings we need elevations sections and floorplans. A little 3d rendering on here and there gives it a wow factor but is unnecessary. Thin representational lines are needed to show some texturing of roof, siding etc.
Another option might be to somehow have a black and white rendering option. Then you could still have the lighting and shading but all the "realistic" colored junk might turn into the simple lines that we are after.

Has anybody tried selecting all of a building and using the drafting palette to flatten the HL view, drag the drafting object into model space, create the viewport of the drafting object view and inserting into paper space, where it can be exploded even in RedSDK, or hatched in model space for a viewport? 

A draft can be exploded in P Space directly.
TC dont like it in Isometric and at least here it crash all the time i try to Hatch a isometric view from drafting  palette in M Space, and also if i make/ insert and explode the viewport in P Space.
The isometric views is not good anyway, as i like to show the house, not so much the roof, so that way it is sort of limited
Else it work like a charm if it is in one of the other views

Torfinn

Hey old Buddy,
attached pdf.
Is this getting closer 

Hei gamle ørn

You never give up , it looks better, at least it is not jump out and slap my face like i think it did earlier, but still, the Hatch look much smoother/ better to my like, but it can also just be the print quality of the pdf.
Making it grey instead of black will help too.
As it should indicate, not be the dominant in the drawing, but that is my personal opinion maybe.

Attatch pdf from P Space of my little examplewall

Torfinn

Declare WP by view and use UCS in drafting palette, any arbitrary view can be done, not restricted to standard views.   

Declare WP by view and use UCS in drafting palette, any arbitrary view can be done, not restricted to standard views.   

We've already been through that, Murray.
The whole idea is to eliminate all that work of positioning the hatch.
also there's a bug, the hatch doesn't wrap around windows = more work.
The DP isn't capable of assigning hatches to faces of architectural elements.

Then i made a quick examplewall with brush, attached is in RedSDK Hidden Line, non rendable is checked.
If i then want to have color i go for a higher render and untick the non rendable
Something like this i wish to achive in a simple way, not need to use a closed polyline, subtract openings etc, it should all happen "automatic", if i check a selectionbox or something.
And because it is a brush, i can very quick and easy change pattern if wanted.

Torfinn


Edit; Just added a backgound color if someone like that, it is still HL

I can't figure out what this all means. I can see the Redsdk setting box in the drawing setup but I don't see a setting for redsdk hidden line or unrendable. If I could get my surfaces to look like your example I would be happy. Even the (coloring book) style would suit me.
I have a test drawing where I have hatched the walls and they still show in Hidden line but the main drawing I am working on does not show the hatch when I switch to hidden line. I don't see that I have any settings different in one from the other so I am wondering what that is about...

I don't think they are using Hidden Line render.

It is RedSDK Hidden Line

The color is just a Brush background color
Attach some pic's that i believe will explaine how the property's is set on the Brush

Torfinn

So you actually draw the hatch it is not a wall setting?

Thats correrct, it is a closed polyline with a brush and i subtract openings, as an example for how i want it to work, hence if it's possible to make manual it should be a small job for having it Automatic too in my opinion.

Torfinn

Edit: AutoCAD have 3D Hatch, even if i dont have look in to it i think maybe that is something for IMSI to look at ??

It is RedSDK Hidden Line

The color is just a Brush background color
Attach some pic's that i believe will explaine how the property's is set on the Brush

Torfinn

Thanks, this helps.
But when I change my setting as you have them to redsdk hidden line all the hidden lines show up as dashed lines, (see attached). But the good news is, I can check the non renderable box in regular hidden line and that makes it work that way too.
As you say, it would be nice if this were something I could pick as a wall or roof texture option so you wouldn't have to manually hatch each section but this is better than nothing.

You just adjust the transperancy , Options/ RedSDK from 0.1 to 0 and that "problem" is solved.

Torfinn

Thanks, that all works well.
A short time later, however, i had a crash, (probably unrelated but who knows?)...
When I restarted and tried to open any drawing, I get an error, (see attached).
I can't figure out what I need to do to get my drawing back or get to my drawing window...

I can't rember to have seen that message before.
But did you look if there is a .dwl file in the same place where you save the drawing that crash ??
Check this before open TC again after a crash, if there is, delete it and then you are ready to start TC
It will look something like "drawingname".tcw.dwl

I have noticed that if i dont do this and just open TC, select the drawing i was working on before the chrash, TC will have as first choice the .dwl file, and that will not work, so maybe that is the issue here.

Torfinn

I can't rember to have seen that message before.
But did you look if there is a .dwl file in the same place where you save the drawing that crash ??
Check this before open TC again after a crash, if there is, delete it and then you are ready to start TC
It will look something like "drawingname".tcw.dwl

I have noticed that if i dont do this and just open TC, select the drawing i was working on before the chrash, TC will have as first choice the .dwl file, and that will not work, so maybe that is the issue here.

Torfinn

No there is no file like that around. I go to any TC file that I have anywhere and try to open it and i get that same message...

Then i would try to do a Repair by the install disk or in Windows program and functions, else delet the Built-in folder, or maybe just restart the machine ( Cold start ) before the Built-in and see if that help.

Torfinn

Then i would try to do a Repair by the install disk or in Windows program and functions, else delet the Built-in folder, or maybe just restart the machine ( Cold start ) before the Built-in and see if that help.

Torfinn

Got it... did the repair thing with windows, seemed to do the trick. Was ready to reinstall if that didn't work. But at least I dind't loose anything. Thanks,