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Modify the Reference Point
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* December 16, 2017, 09:21:07 PM
The hilited part was rotated about 10 degrees so how can I get the hilited parts hollow tube to align to the blue parts hollow tube so they rotate around each other?

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* December 16, 2017, 11:45:26 PM
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Didnt look hard enough.

User Co-ordinates from the 3D selector!

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* December 17, 2017, 06:43:03 AM
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Daz, Have you yet discovered and experimented with the Assemble Tools.  In this case, "Assemble by Axis".
After giving it a try, you might elect to first use the "Set Assembly Axis" Tool.

I'm working with version-20PP, so it might be different in your version.

I've never used this Tool, but did so today to see if it addressed what you were trying to do-- it does.  Another cool Tool...
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 06:48:25 AM by Alvin Gregorio »

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* December 17, 2017, 12:47:14 PM
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I like generic transformation.  It deals immediately with the features that are already in the drawing without having to consider coordinate systems at all, without the assembly tools' one-object-at-a-time limitation.

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* December 17, 2017, 12:48:49 PM
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Alvin, yes the assemble tool is ideal for alignment here. These parts where created prior to rotation and designed to revolve around the hollow tube only. Entity co-ordinates is what I used to set the 3D selector orientation.

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* December 17, 2017, 04:09:49 PM
#5
Hey Murray your response has intrigued me! If I read between the lines can I use generic transform to display the parts reference points correct point of rotation in relation to each other?

Havent used GT before and Im reading the help file now.

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* December 17, 2017, 06:38:16 PM
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Daz, generic trans is like the assembly tool's "assemble by three points", strictly speaking it's assemble by three (or fewer) PAIRS of points, each pair being a "from" and "to".  Your example would be to select the piece that's being moved, snap the centre of one end of the tube to the end of the receiving tube, snap the centre of the other end of the moving tube to the other end of the receiving tube and finish. 
Another thing that I like is that GT "rubber bands" the snap points and the selection set's bounding box to show how it'll move relative to additional location points.
Using generic transformation to rotate your part after you've aligned it, you'd snap the centres of the tubes again when they're co-located, coincident, ie you're snapping "from" and "to" on the one point, two ends define the axis of rotation. 
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 06:48:59 PM by murray dickinson »

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* December 17, 2017, 07:52:58 PM
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... snap the centre of one end of the tube to the end of the receiving tube, snap the centre of the other end of the moving tube to the other end of the receiving tube and finish....

"Snap the centre":  Either ACIS Degenerative Faceting would have to be active, or there would have to be a 2D Circle-- perhaps one used for creating the "hole"-- to Snap to.  Right?

Playing with both the Assembly by Axis Tool, and the Generic Transformation Tool today, I kept preferring the Assembly by Axis Tool.  For whatever reason, it just felt to better suit me-- to be quicker and easier to use.  Personal preference, I guess... -Alvin

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Also-- By using the "Set Assembly Axis", through the hole, it gives us something to relocate the Selector Reference Point to.  So that future rotations from that axis-- after having moved the Object to align the axes-- is quick and easy.
         Downside:  Assembly Tool can't be used on entities with Compound Profiles.  So, unless it is the most basic of Objects, we have to Explode a Part down to an ACIS Solid-- a "dumb" part (is what I learned from Murray).
       --This is in reference to version-20ProPlatinum; I don't know if it's the same in recent versions.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 08:10:38 PM by Alvin Gregorio »

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* December 18, 2017, 01:30:21 AM
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On my mobile now so I will dload and test later. Thanks Alvin & Murray for the tips.

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* December 18, 2017, 05:05:48 AM
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"Downside:  Assembly Tool can't be used on entities with Compound Profiles.  So, unless it is the most basic of Objects, we have to Explode a Part down to an ACIS Solid"


Hi Alvin,
that's not entirely true, can you post an example drawing.

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* December 18, 2017, 11:40:29 AM
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Assemble can only move one object at a time, Dean, so associated profiles and paths can't go with their solids.

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* December 18, 2017, 05:11:29 PM
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"Downside:  Assembly Tool can't be used on entities with Compound Profiles.  So, unless it is the most basic of Objects, we have to Explode a Part down to an ACIS Solid"


Hi Alvin,
that's not entirely true, can you post an example drawing.

Attached is the little version-20 drawing I was playing with Sunday to experiment with the Assembly and Transform tools.
Using the Assembly by Axis Tool on either of the Parts, selecting an Axis for relocation, I get the warning shown below.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2017, 05:14:12 PM by Alvin Gregorio »

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* December 18, 2017, 05:32:47 PM
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Guys the reason I posted on this topic was to initially understand why I couldnt get the correct reference point for animation, ie: when none of the parts are rotated on the Y axis I if remember correctly ( not in tcw atm ) everything rotates fine.

Once the parts are rotated then the reference points are still there for all objects, but they dont rotate correctly because theyre not set on the correct plane after rotation. Changing the 3D selector to User co-ordinates ( might be Entity instead ) fixes the plane for correct rotation, BUT this may interfere with other objects that have not been introduced as yet and how they are handled when rotation is required.

So if I change the 3D Selector for some objects animation ( when theyre rotated on Y axis ), then change the 3D Selector settings back to the previous selector settings for other objects am I heading for problems?

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* December 18, 2017, 07:00:23 PM
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"Downside:  Assembly Tool can't be used on entities with Compound Profiles.  So, unless it is the most basic of Objects, we have to Explode a Part down to an ACIS Solid"


Hi Alvin,
that's not entirely true, can you post an example drawing.

Attached is the little version-20 drawing I was playing with Sunday to experiment with the Assembly and Transform tools.
Using the Assembly by Axis Tool on either of the Parts, selecting an Axis for relocation, I get the warning shown below.

Alvin, see attached video.
In your case "use any line as axis" worked.
Part tree and profile came along with the assembly.

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