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July 01, 2017, 02:55:57 AM
We have created the Architectural template and it was saved into .TCL format in order to make config files of this template we created a config file with (Path Tools --> Workspace --> Customize --> Options --> Save In then we got a .XCFG and .XML file, we added these files into another machine and loaded these files in TurboCAD.
If we save the .TCL file into template folder path: C:Program files --> IMSI Design --> Template of any other machine then we can load it successfully.
Now my concern is that either we’ll have to load the .TCL format into another machine or config file (.XCGF & .XML).

My only comment so far is that doors should never be smaller than 2' - 6" or 30" wide, also we can change the window glass material for the default style.

We will update the files to include the tool added to TC since v21.

We added missing tools in the “standard” toolbar under their respective “tabs”. But I have following question regarding the tabs.
1-   How I can add more tabs in “standard” toolbar, because when I select “standard” toolbar in customize window, “manage tabs” does not enable.
I also add missing tool in the main “menu bar” under the respective tabs  e.g. I add gusset tool in modify->3dmodify. And also add the tools in the respective “Toolbar” e.g. I enabled “3d modify” toolbar and add “twist entity” tool .

If there is more instruction regarding the “toolbar tab” then update me.

Please find the attached Config files and “toolbar tab.jpg”

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* July 01, 2017, 03:18:28 PM
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As far as I know, once a "Tabbed toolbar" is created, the "tabs" are basically set in stone. You can move them around, but you cannot add or remove tabs. You would have to contact Rob Berry to find out how this really works. Dave Taylor may be able to put you in touch with him.

re: …If we save the .TCL file… Do you mean "TCT" format (TurboCAD Template) or the "LRS" format (Layers)?

As for architectural sizes; the first thing I do is change those settings in TurboCAD Explorer "Drawing_Defaults". After restarting TurboCAD, then I'll make a Template. It was suggested to IMSI/Design that they change the Defaults to normal sizes, but it never happened. At least we can change them ourselves. This way I can can get normal size door & windows, even when using a New from Scratch drawing.


From Drawing_Defaults—
Stair Shape=1
Stair Turn Type=4
Stair is Clockwise=1
Stair Base Width=4.0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 48
Stair Radius=8.0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 96
Stair Tread Depth=0.25 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 11
Stair Riser Height=0.20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 7
Stair Riser Count=25 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 19
Stair Terminate With=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2
Camera Extended Properties=0
Window Width=3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 36
Window Height=5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 48
Window Sill Height=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 32
Window Rise=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24
Window Open Percent=0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 30
Window Leaf=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 12
Window Frame Inset=0
Door Width=3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 36
Door Height=5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 80
Door Sill Height=0
Door Rise=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24
Door Open Percent=50 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 30
Door Leaf=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 12
Door Frame Inset=0


Your template should have Presets set up for the Walls, Doors and Windows that you might use. I would also recommend editing the "Standard" Style Manager settings for Windows and Doors, then any new Styles will already have most of the stuff needed and you only need to tweak one or two parts. For “component” walls, you may find it better to save them as individual Symbols, then bring them in to a drawing as needed.

my 2 cents

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July 05, 2017, 10:47:50 AM
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Thanks for the feedback John.   I assume those sizes are English/Imperial.   


Can anybody recommend the desired metric defaults?

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* July 05, 2017, 12:47:07 PM
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Here's updated list that may work, but Torfinn or Kai would know better.

PropertyDefault   Imperial   Metric
Stair Shape1
Stair Turn Type4
Stair is Clockwise1
Stair Base Width4.0481219
Stair Radus8.0962438
Stair Tread Depth0.2511279
Stair Riser Height0.207178
Stair Riser Count251313
Stair Terminate With1
Camera Extended Properties   0
Window Width336914
Window Height5481219
Window Sill Height132813
Window Rise124610
Window Open Percent0
Window Leaf112305
Window Frame Inset0
Door Width336914
Door Height5802032
Door Sill Height0
Door Rise124610
Door Open Percent50
Door Leaf112305
Door Frame Inset0

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* July 05, 2017, 01:20:11 PM
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This is what i would like to have :)

I dont use sill but Head on door and window.
Basically all door and window is 10 mm smaller then "spoken" size and we also use modul size, 11 x 12   is actually 1090 x 1190 mm.
On internal stair the formula is 1 Tread + 2 Heigth = 620 mm. +/- 20 mm.

From Drawing_Defaults—                                          METRIC
Stair Shape=1
Stair Turn Type=4
Stair is Clockwise=1
Stair Base Width=4.0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -   48   >>           900 (= Minimum Width)
Stair Radius=8.0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ----- 96   >>             1900            
Stair Tread Depth=0.25 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 11    >>              250 (= Minimum Width)
Stair Riser Height=0.20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --7   >>              190
Stair Riser Count=25 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -19      >>                14
Stair Terminate With=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -2      >>                  2
Camera Extended Properties=0                         >>                  0
Window Width=3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 36      >>        1090
Window Height=5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  - 48      >>        1190
Window Sill Height=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 32      >>          910

Window Head of object----------------------------              >>            2100
Window Rise=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24      >>                  0 ( can show when using database tool, "funny" on rectangular )
Window Open Percent=0 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 30      >>                  0 ( should not be open in printed drawing for building permit)
Window Leaf=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 12      >>              300
Window Frame Inset=0                                    >>                  0
Door Width=3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- 36      >>              890
Door Height=5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 80      >>            2090
Door Sill Height=0                                       >>                10

Door Head of object                                    >>            2100
Door Rise=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- 24      >>                  0 ( can show when using database tool, "funny" on rectangular )
Door Open Percent=50 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 30      >>                   50 ( need to see full swing arch in plan view )
Door Leaf=1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- 12      >>               300
Door Frame Inset=0                                     >>                  0

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* July 05, 2017, 01:59:48 PM
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The reason I increased the "Rise" to 24 was the Arch, Gothic, Peak Pentagon Shapes for Doors and Windows didn't seem to change with a minimal 1 inch rise. Someone might think these shapes were broken. As far as I know, "Rise" should not affect a "Rectangular" shape; I've never seen it happen.

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* July 05, 2017, 02:32:17 PM
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Hi John

It's not effect the shape of a window/ door, but if i have a house that have trapes window's i  will set my "table" to collect/ show the rise and then it will show me that a rectangular window have a rise of like 300 i.e., that is what i think is "funny".

Torfinn

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* July 05, 2017, 02:46:04 PM
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Ahh, it shows up in a Report. I did not consider that, as I've rarely generated a report on anything.

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* July 05, 2017, 03:22:44 PM
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Yeah, but i can understand what you was thinking about also, as it takes me some time to figure out how the heck the "Leaf" work :)
Earlier i put 2 different doors with different size next to each other in a wall, overlap each other.

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July 05, 2017, 05:32:21 PM
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I'd like to take a step back.  There are 2 objectives.
1. Create a tabbed toolbar interface using the CADCourse.cfg file as the basis for a ribbon-like UI that appeals to all users.

2. Make adjustments to the templates in order to enhance the overall workflow for architectural users.

If we plan to set default program-wide values I think using the rectangular windows is best.  In addition,  the architectural templates should all be utilizing the presets to improve the workflow of using architectural objects.  So that changing door and window sizes can be done more quickly via the presets pull-down rather than manually as is the case now.    So I think it's a matter of establishing the most commonly used sizes and perhaps styles.

Ultimately we should consider creating separate architectural symbols palettes.  This could work similar to how the 1st Windows( 1 Pricing) plug-in worked where you had a drag-n-drop set of window and door types.     We recently tried to get 1st Windows permission to use their door and windows block's geometry but they ended up dragging their feet and missed the 17.0 ship deadline. 

If I recall 1st Windows always required you to type in the sizes after dropping each object.It would be nice if presets could be used to resize the size of the block.    I suppose the next step is to see if presets can be used in conjunction with blocks....


« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:43:55 PM by Dave Taylor »

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* July 06, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
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Yeah, but i can understand what you was thinking about also, as it takes me some time to figure out how the heck the "Leaf" work :)
Earlier i put 2 different doors with different size next to each other in a wall, overlap each other.

Torfinn

I believe "Leaf" only works in the "Uneven" Door and Window types.



I'd like to take a step back.  There are 2 objectives.
1. Create a tabbed toolbar interface using the CADCourse.cfg file as the basis for a ribbon-like UI that appeals to all users.

2. Make adjustments to the templates in order to enhance the overall workflow for architectural users.

If we plan to set default program-wide values I think using the rectangular windows is best.  In addition,  the architectural templates should all be utilizing the presets to improve the workflow of using architectural objects.  So that changing door and window sizes can be done more quickly via the presets pull-down rather than manually as is the case now.    So I think it's a matter of establishing the most commonly used sizes and perhaps styles.

Ultimately we should consider creating separate architectural symbols palettes.  This could work similar to how the 1st Windows( 1 Pricing) plug-in worked where you had a drag-n-drop set of window and door types.     We recently tried to get 1st Windows permission to use their door and windows block's geometry but they ended up dragging their feet and missed the 17.0 ship deadline. 

If I recall 1st Windows always required you to type in the sizes after dropping each object.It would be nice if presets could be used to resize the size of the block.    I suppose the next step is to see if presets can be used in conjunction with blocks....

Didn't “dgari” make the ribbon for AutoCAD? Is he still around to help?

As for architectural symbols, I saved a length of Wall from various Component Walls as separate symbols in "My Symbols" folder so I don't have to recreate them later on. I just drag-n-drop the symbol into a new drawing and the Styles are available to use. This should also work for Doors and Windows Styles.

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* July 06, 2017, 01:33:15 PM
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Great ide'a :)
If TC should get new and young users they have to do something as they expect a product that is ready to use straigth "out of the Box"
So there should be a finish UI and a Template that will meet as much as possible of this demands without losing the great flexibility we have today for the more experienced users that maybe want it different.

I don't know much about mechanical or design stuff, so it would be nice if other users also chime in with ideas about how to make TC better, more ready to use for their demands/ wishes.

We basically have all the tools we need, but we need to use something like Preset or similar to make it more easy and not have the need of doing all the settings our self.
So it is just to make a collection of these and set it up in a system that is easy to find/ use.
And everything need to be double,  both systems, metric and imperial.

So for the Architectural i will suggest preset for ;
Wall's, the most common style's, but not to many as then users easily can lose the feeling of  control and that will be    for all presets, not more than maybe 3-5.
Roof and Slab's likewise.
Roof's, why dont we have automatic options for the facia and gables if the roof have a gable , i dont know the name of this in english, but a gable roof do have some pieces of wood that protecting the ends and make the water go down on the roof tile or shingles, gutter,and downpipes.
It is cumbersome for new users to make them

Door's should have a tickbox for Interior or Exterior, with or whithout molding that will fit for the type.
Door's also should have finish Profiles, some nice entrance doors would be fine to have.

Window should have a tickbox for molding's or not too.
The moldings don't need to be advanced, just something that indicate that they are there, i believe most other cad programs do it this way because of how they act when using block and different size's.
But then we need a way to set the Frame insert during inserting door and window, can it be possible that TC "know" the distance based on the wall style ?? and automatic adjust it, the info is already in the wall style, and we can override this if we want the window to stand maybe 25 mm. in to the wall, default is 0.
I would also liked if i in a easy way could get the glass area in a window or door

It could be done by a palette that show the different styles based on a pic, and in a Block'ish way we could adjust the size, moldings on/ of, etc etc, sort of set the info we want visible or not like we can with Attributes today.
Then we could have finish tables/ reports that collect all the info in a premade style,
If the door/ window also show the  hinge side it would be nice, and we could also use the pic. from the palette in our report show the window/ door, telling us size, hinge side, possible to open or not, the glass area, the opening area.
Then it will be very easy to know how many square meter glass there is inside a room, totally in the building and so on.
I need to have 10 % glass/ ligth in a room if it should be a room for stay long time, like Living room, kitchen, bedroom, but in the same time the total area should not be bigger than 20 % of the floor areas totally, if it is bigger i need to send a energy calculation for the building also, that's why the total opening area in wall's are of interest in a table/ report.

And then we have materials, they should been finish set in a "normal" way, a new user should not need to learn how to get a decent look of a wall, roof and so on, they should be premade.
And why not give them the same name, regardless if they are LigthWork or RedSDK, then they will work both places.
It is possible, we do that in our template now.

Renders also maybe need some work, i am not correct guy to talk about it as i am pleased if i get something that look like cladding, a brick wall i.e.
I don't do interiors, to time consuming :)

Terrain, it would been nice if there was some tree, flowers and bushes preset in TC as well, as block so that we could scale them in a easy way.
I know i could get all of this in 3D warehouse, but that is not the point, there should be some inside TC as well

In general i talk about how a house in my case look's like in real world, it should be possible to draw a house and just tick if i want this or that to show in the drawing, most of the users don't care about learning to make this kind of stuff, they want it finish set when they open the program first time.
If i want to have printed out this or that report of the house (in a report menu)
They "lose" money for every hour they need to use for learning how to do the basic stuff on a "normal" house if they use TC for make a living.
Of course i have no ide'a about the cost for making this comperred to the price TC is sold for, posible or not, but some idea's for get new young users, maybe.

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* July 06, 2017, 01:37:13 PM
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Yeah, but i can understand what you was thinking about also, as it takes me some time to figure out how the heck the "Leaf" work :)
Earlier i put 2 different doors with different size next to each other in a wall, overlap each other.

Torfinn

I believe "Leaf" only works in the "Uneven" Door and Window types.

Yes, but it did take me some time to figure that out :)

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* July 06, 2017, 05:59:03 PM
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re: …I would also liked if i in a easy way could get the glass area in a window or door.…

Profile Styles is one way to reveal glass in a Door.

In this Overhead door I made a bunch of holes in it with a Profile Style. I then used the Muntins and Blocks settings in the Design section to apply different things in each pane. I have to use a "Single" component and place a number in its field that corresponds to the hole. Generally, the numbers follow the holes as they were selected when creating the Profile Style.

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* July 06, 2017, 06:41:18 PM
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Not the hole/ glass it self, that the profile fix, i want to be able to easy get the area of it, like in 0.79 m2 i. e. in a report/ table

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* July 06, 2017, 10:11:38 PM
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One of the reasons I don't use the built in architectural doors and windows - is I don't like the way they look in plan and elevation.
A door should be open in plan and closed in elevation - unless you are doing a 3d presentation where you might want a few open doors or windows. Windows should show reveals in plan. The window styles are very limited and profiles aren't parametric. Windows created from parametric parts and converted to blocks are more efficient - At the moment the parametric parts need to be exploded so that you can see them in the correct place in section or elevation or with the drafting palette.
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Window and door schedules should show a picture of the window or door - with heights.
You should be able to include custom properties in the schedule. So that you can add information like window number manufacturer details glass types frame material etc. I would like to use Property sets instead of custom properties. The reason I haven't changed is because property sets aren't connected to  "database connect". And being able to choose from a list is always quicker then typing out.
The ability to add lists that you would be able to select the property from would be a bonus.
 I use the report tool to generate window and door schedules, its great. One thing I would like is the ability to have the table going from left to right instead of top to bottom. I have been saving the table in excel format and using the excel transpose to change it. The ability to bring that table back into TC as a table has made this task a little easier - thank you - but it still seems like unnecessary extra steps.

Architectural drawings change all the time - for me sections and elevations need to be created without having to do too much editing. You might need to do that same editing 3 or 4 (or more times per job).
These things might help
Automatic hatch settings.
I would like to have a 3d shape cutting the hole for the windows instead of a modifier profile.  Stops having to delete lines where sills have a slope. The ability to have a profile shape for components in a wall - as well as the rectangular shape.
Slabs should be able to trim the wall. We are still a brick and mortar country.
Concrete stairs are essential and they are easier to draw.  They should also do all the maths for you. You should tell it how high you want the stairs the maximum riser height, the tread width, the width and shape of the stairs. The Positioning of the stairs should be easy to place so that when you change parameters you don't have to move the stairs. Current stairs are incomplete they need stringers.
 Rail tool does strange things sometimes - could be my settings though.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2017, 03:43:11 AM by nikkipollard »

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* July 07, 2017, 05:54:07 AM
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Just some example of the scheduele's i would like to have, and my ppm door that show the swing and i can turn it of also if i dont want to see it, 1 ppm gives me about 20 different looks, it is not possible to open the door it self as i dont make it this way, i dont need it.
If i can do it in a ppm, for sure it's possible to have something similar in TC door.
Rail's can be "funny" sometime, if tc have to little space it migth go crazy, then i need to make them by hand.

Scheduele's are from a 4 Apartment building i draw, sendt to Latvia for making elements and it comes back like i want to see with door and window sheduele, i think a palette is a good way to do this as we then can have a pic there to use also in the scheduele.
Now we only need to figure out if this is possible to do in TC, that we set the size and hinge when inserting the window.

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* July 08, 2017, 12:03:47 AM
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For the floor areas I usually hatch each room - before adding windows and doors. I assign a property set and thickness(for ceiling height) to the hatched area - I call the property set " zones". I can then label each room using entity marks and extract information.
You can use slabs - but slabs don't stretch.
A proper zone or space tool would be great.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2017, 01:02:40 AM by nikkipollard »

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* July 08, 2017, 07:38:05 AM
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I do the same as you Nikki, sort of
I dont give it a thickness, but 0 and color by layer and about 80 % transparensy., in a layers filter, then i dont need to wrigt anything or change text later.
Normally not use room number.

But i cant get out the Perimeter of a Polyline, then i need to make a slab to get it and that is annoing as i see it in inspector bar if i select the polyline, i also wish i could get it in meter's not mm.
A round inside Excel can fix it i assume, but that is sort of cumbersome and a total waste of time

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