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Furniture Maker 16
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* October 19, 2015, 12:25:08 PM
Just started working with FM 16.


Some old problems are solved -- but new problems have appeared.


Optimization goes off to outer space with a windows 10 spinning wheel.


So it may not be usable.


I will check with another design and report back.

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WillR
SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 19, 2015, 12:41:10 PM
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Looks like old drawings that used to create cutting plans will no longer do so either.


Guess it's in the trash can permanently for this version unless a free update is offered.


Added: Note that I am using TC 21 32 bit and Windows 10.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2015, 08:03:41 PM by WillR »

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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


October 20, 2015, 05:59:34 AM
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Will

It might be worth posting on Spinar's Forum. You may have to translate it/turn of google translate to read posts etc.

http://www.spinar.cz/forum/index.php?limit=10

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Daz...
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* October 20, 2015, 09:01:25 AM
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Does not work. Tried this before. Translating just takes you back to a translated main page.


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WillR
SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 20, 2015, 10:20:24 AM
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At the top of the page Darrel posted is a UK union flag, click that, googles translate page will open back at Spinar's home page, from there under 'promotion' is the forum, the pages will be automatically translated.

That said, I didn't see furniture maker so maybe it's called something different.

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October 20, 2015, 10:43:10 AM
#5
Like Andy says, I click on the union jack flag. In google chrome you can right click on the page and you should see "translate this page" option also.

I will also Nudge Majo to see if he can help with this who has some of his work there and posts in that forum and done work for Spinar. He maybe able to answer it or at least ask the question for you.

We as Beta Testers do not get to play with this Add-on/Plug-in unfortunately.  :'(

This is one of Majo's Renders he did for Spinar - Nice eh   :) - http://www.spinar.cz/produkt/images_pro_galerii_turbocad/images/tcp2015/04_Archiv_%C5%A0PINAR%20SW.png

« Last Edit: October 20, 2015, 11:14:56 AM by Darrel Durose »

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October 20, 2015, 12:13:22 PM
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Hi WillR,

I am not sure, but is possible that the TC v21 + FM16 under Windows 10 is not good variant. Because can be some problem with the Windows 10 and TC v21 (I mean that TC v21 is not optimal for the Windows 10) there. Is possible tried the Windows 10 + TC 2015 (trial maybe) + FM 16 or Windows 8/7 + TC 21 + FM16? whether it is the same problem with the Optimization.

I will try ask in to the SPINAR software what problem could be there.

Majo
« Last Edit: October 20, 2015, 01:01:18 PM by Majo »

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* October 20, 2015, 10:57:29 PM
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Majo:


Thank you. Hopefully someone has an answer.

However, upgrading to 2015 means buying Lightworks as well. I had not intended to spend that amount of money.


I should add the FM15 worked and the optimization functioned correctly. However the FM15 crashed many times when I was using it.

« Last Edit: October 20, 2015, 11:00:03 PM by WillR »

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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


October 21, 2015, 03:26:35 PM
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Hi WillR I have information from SPINAR-software ->

TCFM v16 with TC 21 for W10 is not good combination and TCFM v15 is not for W10 . I have information that company Spinar software tested TCFM v16=DAEX IS Standard v16 with TCP 2015 CZ and TCD CZ for W10 without problem and they will test all also for US version asap. If there is need some fix so they will offer free update.

I hope that it will help you

Majo


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* October 21, 2015, 06:18:19 PM
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Hi WillR I have information from SPINAR-software ->

TCFM v16 with TC 21 for W10 is not good combination and TCFM v15 is not for W10 . I have information that company Spinar software tested TCFM v16=DAEX IS Standard v16 with TCP 2015 CZ and TCD CZ for W10 without problem and they will test all also for US version asap. If there is need some fix so they will offer free update.

I hope that it will help you

Majo


Majo:


Thank you very kindly for helping with this issue.


I will be very happy if this can be made to work.


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WillR
SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 25, 2015, 10:53:14 AM
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Hi WillR,

We have tested TCFM v16 on TCP v22 with W10 CZ (Metric format)  and all work correctly. FYI: TCFM v15 is not for W10  and TCFM v16 with TC 21 and W10 is not good combination. 
Please can you send more information?
1) Do you use TCFM v16, TC Deluxe v21, OS Windows 10 and did you install  TCFMv16 in English or Metric units? Do you have setup W10 for English or Metric units?   
2) Did you export same cabinet from TCFM v16/TurboCAD to DAEX CUT and there is not data for the optimization? FYI: TCDv21
or
3) When you run the optimalization  than DAEX CUT or does not work?
There is some Warning dialog?

Thank you for more information and samples (Warning dialog, samples file, better detailed description...). Pleases send me all files on info@spinar.cz.

Milan

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* October 25, 2015, 12:28:12 PM
#11
Milan:

Note first post:

I uninstalled FM15 --
FM15  would do the optimization with Windows 10. I completed three projects with that configuration.
With FM15 and Windows 10 about 50% of the time DAEX would not start -- it gave unhandled exception error when it did not start. Hower it did function.

I then installed FM16 with the new serial number.

TurboCad V21 32 bit. (I also have 64 bit)
Windows 10 64 Bit -- USA English installation

FM16 was installed as USA Metric installation.

I am able to create new drawings and edit old drawings.
The Elements assignments appear to work.
After elements assignments are made -- Daex Cut is started with the 1(single Cabinet) or 2 (complete set) option.

DAEX Cut will start.
I can modify Orders and
I can change wood/Square material assignments.

When the Optimization type is chose the program hangs. (Optimal, Long, Short etc.)
First the numbers display showing that optimization is running.
The results do not display.

Both new drawings and older drawings fail.
All drawings were made in Metric with the Office Template.



I sent this report to Milan along with three files that do not display the optimization results.

« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 01:12:05 PM by WillR »

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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 25, 2015, 01:07:01 PM
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I will also include the System Requirements from the ad on the TC website:

TurboCAD Furniture Maker requires the 32 bit version of TurboCAD Deluxe, Pro, or Pro Platinum version 2015 or 21. TurboCAD 2015 will require the LightWorks plug-in in order to properly display rendered images.


So I meet the requirements -- end of discussion.


Rather than demand my money back I prefer to see the problem corrected.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 01:11:13 PM by WillR »

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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 25, 2015, 02:27:59 PM
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I will also note that I tested compatibility settings


Windows 8 and Windows 7 settings give the same results.


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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 25, 2015, 02:40:16 PM
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It looks that you will need to change decimal position separator. In TCFM v16 you use "," but seting for Windows 10 US is "." so please, change it.  (W10 - Options/Time and language/Next possibilities for data, time and area setting/Area/Change area/Next setting/decimal position separator  ","). Restaret W10 and run TCFM/DAEX. Please try it. I hope it help you.

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* October 25, 2015, 02:55:23 PM
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Milan:


The correct Windows 10 (USA) setting for decimal separator is "." in Canada and USA. I think that DAEX is wrong


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WillR
SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 25, 2015, 03:01:31 PM
#16
I also checked the orders in FM16. They are CLEARLY decimal characters as "."


They are not COMMAS ","

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WillR
SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 26, 2015, 09:14:29 AM
#17
WillR,

please change decimal symbol "." to ","  in W10.  See manul for this in attachment. Please, Let me know if it help you.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2015, 09:17:08 AM by Milan »

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* October 26, 2015, 12:12:54 PM
#18
It will not help -- it will cause issues with many other programs on that system -- like Delphi 10 Seattle and the Database server etc.


Not a good idea!


I have had that mismatch before -- it shows up in other ways.


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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 27, 2015, 09:25:53 AM
#19
I understand that it is not ideal and we will need fix it, but your information helps our development.
Please, can you test it and change the decimal symbol "." to "," in W10. I need know if optimalization works correctly after.
Thank you for your test.

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* October 27, 2015, 10:05:38 AM
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Last time I did this I spent weeks finding problems.


Will try though.


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WillR
SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 27, 2015, 10:22:06 AM
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I understand that it is not ideal and we will need fix it, but your information helps our development.
Please, can you test it and change the decimal symbol "." to "," in W10. I need know if optimalization works correctly after.
Thank you for your test.


The optimizer works. I can now view the "Output" tab with the optimized cut patterns displayed.


Note additional questions about optimizer!

Before, I could see the calculations take place (A small window with numbers changing) -- but the output would not display -- DAEX would hang.

As before it runs the calculations and now "Output" displays the diagrams of the boards (square material).

We call Square Material "sheets" or "Panels" -- just so you know. e.g. I used three sheets of particle board (white melamine covering) to build that cabinet. or e.g. I ordered three panels of Veneer Core Plywood with a Walnut Veneer outer layer.

What you call "Assortment" we would call "inventory" or "stock".

In the inventory where you have "is rest" we would call it an "Offcut". So we would mark (select the box) an atypical (unusual) sheet of material as "offcut". Then we would expect to be able to tell the optimizer to prefer using offcuts ("is rest") sheets of material.


Question -- Edging:

If I create "edging" -- in the edging layer --  in the drawing and apply it to a cabinet will DAEX reduce the size of the panel or add the edging to the size of the panel? I believe it incorrectly adds it to the panel -- and then it is incorrect when sent to DAEX.



« Last Edit: October 27, 2015, 10:25:12 AM by WillR »

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WillR
SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 27, 2015, 10:28:21 AM
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I will change this back so it does not "sabotage" me with other programs and will set it before running the optimizer.

I need to run the optimizer to build some cabinets -- Now I need the optimizer to use the "offcuts" from the previous set of cabinets.

Hope you can send out new exe (or whatever) soon -- as a patch rather than a complete re-install.

Mostly though I just want this fixed.


I will attempt to test the use of offcuts tonight or tomorrow.


Thank you!


« Last Edit: October 27, 2015, 10:30:19 AM by WillR »

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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 27, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
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Thank you for your test. We will fix it soon.

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* October 28, 2015, 02:10:01 PM
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FYI:
1) Furniture Maker 16  (problem with ".") = fix
2) Optimize Screen -- Non-English Items = fix


Update installation:
a) Backup folder DAEX_CUT (path: C:\Program Files (x86)\....\TurboCAD Furniture Maker)
b) Unpack files from attachment and insert/overwriting files into folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Spinar-software\TurboCAD Furniture Maker\DAEX_CUT and \Common

Please, let me know if the optimization works now. Our test was OK.

3) We will work on next update, but send me more information. Please see blow:
"TCFM16 Reports not formatted correctly for US Letter"
a) Please, send me name reports which you are using currently.
b) Do you need US Letter with size 8 1/2" x 11" = 216 x 279 mm?
FYI: If you send me your design/size label, we can edit it.
c) We will fix English text (Stock, offcut...)

4) Answer:
"WillR:
If I create "edging" -- in the edging layer -- in the drawing and apply it to a cabinet will DAEX reduce the size of the panel or add the edging to the size of the panel? I believe it incorrectly adds it to the panel -- and then it is incorrect when sent to DAEX."

Yes. If the panel have size for example X=600 x Y=700 and you add 1x edge (2 mm) in axis X, than size the panel will have same size 600 x 700. But for cutting plane (XN/YN) you can set in DAEX  with automatically the subtraction of size the edge (result for cutting plane = XN  598 mm x YN x 700 mm). If our user needs some other setting, it is possible. We can change it according to his individual requierement (according to his wood machinery). This modification is not free mostly. 
 

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* October 28, 2015, 08:18:48 PM
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Milan:

In English we say this is a "Good News/Bad News" situation....

I have attached two images. The optimization works fine.

The pricing is a little strange. However, if you can truly sell my cabinet for over $155,000 I feel that I could make you a business partner effective as soon as we can sign an acceptable deal! ;D

Otherwise -- you should take another look at the effect of your change! ;)

I can live with it as it is as I do not use your program for invoicing  -- but you should probably resolve this -- see attached image.

PS: Just kidding you with a small joke. You really would not like it here. It's way too cold and there is no culture -- it's very barbaric.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2015, 08:23:07 PM by WillR »

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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 28, 2015, 08:22:44 PM
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I will be gone for a day so I stayed up late to test this.


Tomorrow I must drive to Toronto and attend a course so anything further will wait until Friday or the weekend to test.


I do believe that I sent you a TC file which will illustrate the issue -- it has an angled/open door.
My email computer is the laptop which is packed for the trip.

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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* October 28, 2015, 08:25:43 PM
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Yes. If the panel have size for example X=600 x Y=700 and you add 1x edge (2 mm) in axis X, than size the panel will have same size 600 x 700. But for cutting plane (XN/YN) you can set in DAEX  with automatically the subtraction of size the edge (result for cutting plane = XN  598 mm x YN x 700 mm).
4) Answer:
"WillR:
If I create "edging" -- in the edging layer -- in the drawing and apply it to a cabinet will DAEX reduce the size of the panel or add the edging to the size of the panel? I believe it incorrectly adds it to the panel -- and then it is incorrect when sent to DAEX."


Yes. If the panel have size for example X=600 x Y=700 and you add 1x edge (2 mm) in axis X, than size the panel will have same size 600 x 700. But for cutting plane (XN/YN) you can set in DAEX  with automatically the subtraction of size the edge (result for cutting plane = XN  598 mm x YN x 700 mm)


OK: That is acceptable.

Can you do a screen shot of how (where) you make this change? I do not think it is obvious.

« Last Edit: October 28, 2015, 08:29:06 PM by WillR »

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SW:TC 21 Pro Platinum, FM15, 20 Pro Platinum 64 Bit, also V 19.1 64Bit & 32 bit 17.2 and 18.1; Furniture Maker 14 and 10. HW: Vista 64 Ultimate, AMD 1090 (6 core) 8GB memory Plus also an AMD  8 core systemFX


* May 05, 2017, 12:10:50 PM
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I simply want to know if anyone can help me to understand this plug-in. I have it working (to a point) but cannot figure out parts of it.Please feel free to email me with information and questions.
Thank you, BeverlyS
I have TurboCAD Deluxe 16 and Furniture Maker V16. I was told by salesman they work well together. Lack of money was the final deciding factor. (Deluxe vs. Pro)

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