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New Symbols Designer Application Feedback Needed
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June 10, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
The Symbol Designer tool l is currently under development.  The purpose of it is to help automate the creation and scripting of Parametric Parts for use in TurboCAD.   We would like to have any interested user's feedback on it.

http://downloads.imsidesign.com/Plug-ins/symboldesigner-b14.exe

http://downloads.imsidesign.com/symboldesigner/setup.exe

« Last Edit: July 15, 2013, 04:04:41 PM by turbotech »

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June 10, 2013, 05:01:01 PM
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The Symbol Designer tool l is currently under development.  The purpose of it is to help automate the creation and scripting of Parametric Parts for use in TurboCAD.   We would like to have any interested user's feedback on it.

http://downloads.imsidesign.com/Plug-ins/symboldesigner-b14.exe


NO go after installation. See error.


June 10, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
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The one you supplied to the beta testers works.


* June 10, 2013, 05:21:27 PM
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It fires up for me.  I'm not competent to achieve much with it, but I can create and orient figures in the interface window, and interact with .dwgs.

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June 10, 2013, 09:26:43 PM
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Thanks keep the comments coming.
Don did you uninstall the previous build? Just a thought....

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* June 11, 2013, 12:39:26 AM
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And that's a god thought Dave :)

You have to uninstall before installing new version

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* June 12, 2013, 08:43:43 PM
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Dave,

I've downloaded it and I have yet to use it because I'm not sure where it is at in Turbocad.  Also, will it work for version 18.2?

Rick

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* June 12, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
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I dont think you will find it inside TC, after install, check your program's in start menu, there should be a program named SD.

After you have made a ppm file and saved this somewhere, you can run it from Library palette in TC

And yes it work in V18 :)

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* June 13, 2013, 01:10:09 AM
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does it only work on a 64 bit machine?

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* June 13, 2013, 05:05:06 AM
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I believe it works in 32 bit also since it install to x86 ("C:\Program Files (x86)\Softdev Spb\SymbolDesigner\Viewer.exe")
But i have only 64 bit machines, so cant check that

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* June 13, 2013, 06:20:19 AM
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Thanks keep the comments coming.
Don did you uninstall the previous build? Just a thought....

Hi Dave,

My operating system is Win 7 Home Premium (64bit)

Install seemed to run smoothly and when it completed I had 'Symbol Designer' icon on my desktop. When I double-clicked there was some flickering in the background but the programme didn't launch (or if it did launch the window wasn't visible).

Next I right clicked on Symbol Designer programme icon and selected 'Troubleshoot compatibility' and then followed the instructions. Operating system advised it was using settings for XP service pack 2. Programme started successfully. At some point (not sure when) I was asked if I wanted to save the compatibility settings, I answered yes. 

When I exited the programme I was prompted to save. I renamed untitled.ppm file to Symbol Designer.ppm file.

The programme now opens when I double-click on the desktop icon.

Learning how to use the programme is another matter. May I suggest a posted video to provide an overview of the basics and give users an idea of what can be achieved.

Thank you

Steve

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* June 13, 2013, 07:35:11 AM
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SD is a extended ppm editor, go to the ppm section in the forum, copy and paste one of the examples from there in to SD and hit run ( blue circle and white arrow) then u will see :)

For how to use/ make, go to help inside TC

https://turbocaddoc.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TC20UG/Parametric+Part+Manager

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* June 13, 2013, 10:23:30 AM
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The same. Build  14 runs only in compatibility mode with XP SP. Build 12 run without a problem on 64-bit Windows 7. I tried a little "Tools" from the SD. Single items stored as ppm can be used in TurboCAD, but if I insert several items at once after using them in TurboCAD some of them disappear . My window.ppm opens in SD and I can see it in 3D, but for example socketbend.ppm view in SD is 2D, but after saving to SD, output gives the correct item in the TC. Probably not  all the functions available in TC ppm script manager, work in SD.
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* June 13, 2013, 04:08:59 PM
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I installed on XP SP3 32-bit.

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* June 13, 2013, 11:48:39 PM
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The same. Build  14 runs only in compatibility mode with XP SP. Build 12 run without a problem on 64-bit Windows 7. I tried a little "Tools" from the SD. Single items stored as ppm can be used in TurboCAD, but if I insert several items at once after using them in TurboCAD some of them disappear . My window.ppm opens in SD and I can see it in 3D, but for example socketbend.ppm view in SD is 2D, but after saving to SD, output gives the correct item in the TC. Probably not  all the functions available in TC ppm script manager, work in SD.
Marek

When checked in the list for commands in SD, i dont find 3Gchamfer or Torus, maybe thats why the socketbend don't work, there is a error field inside SD ho give you some idea's for what's wrong with the *.ppm file.
SD have a litle bit stronger "sensur" of the code than the old ppm editor in TC

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* June 24, 2013, 02:25:07 PM
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This looks like a tool with potential!
I'd like to know how to create ansi bolts with it.  Tips would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Eddie.

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* July 14, 2013, 11:45:57 AM
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The new build (v1.0.21) is available. I have asked Dave to upload it on the forum. Video (dome_mesh.mp4.rar.zip) shows some of the new features: function ArrayTo3DMesh.

(File dome_mesh.mp4.rar.zip   is actually a RAR file.)

The script creates a dome (like the domes of St. Basil's Cathedral)

Vlad

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//***Property Sets***
PS_STANDARD = PropertySet("THeight" = 10, "DimScale" = 35); Output(PS_STANDARD);
Red = PropertySet("Layer" = "Red", "PenColor" = 0x000000FF, "PenWidth" = 0); Output(Red);
Gray = PropertySet("Layer" = "Gray", "PenColor" = 0x00800080, "PenWidth" = 0);

colors = {
0x00ff0001,0x00cc0002,0x0000ff03,0x00ff0004,
0x0000fff5,0x000000f6,0x00880007,0x00008808,
0x00888809,0x00008880,0x00880088,0x00000088,
0x00808080,0x00404040,0x00a0a0a0,0x00a00000,
0
};
//dome_mesh.psm created by Vlad Veselov and Alex Presniak

Units(1[rad]);
Pi = 3.14159265359;
uMin = 0; uMax = 2 * Pi;
vMin = -Pi/4; vMax = 0.999*Pi;

u = uMin + i*(uMax - uMin)/(iMax - iMin)/15 ;
v = vMin + j*(vMax - vMin)/(jMax - jMin) ;

iMin = -22; iMax =15;//15 65; //
jMin = 0; jMax = 20; //

// GetX(i, j, iMax, iMin, jMax, jMin, uMin, uMax, vMin, vMax, Pi, a, b, c)
// GetY(i, j, iMax, iMin, jMax, jMin, uMin, uMax, vMin, vMax, Pi, a, b, c)

r = cos(v) + 1;
df = (v + vMin)*c ;
//x = r*((a+b)*cos(u) - b*cos((a/b+1)*(u+df)))/5;
//y = r*((a+b)*sin(u) - b*sin((a/b+1)*(u+df)))/5;
x = r*0.2*((a+b)*cos(u-df)+b*cos((a/b+1)*u-df));
y = r*0.2*((a+b)*sin(u-df)+b*sin((a/b+1)*u-df));
z = j*dH;

a = 12; //
b = 0.8; //
c = -0.25 //
dH = 3*(vMax-vMin)/(jMax-jMin);


pS = Point(x,y,z);

pSA = MCopy(pS, i, iMin , i <= iMax);
pSAA = MCopy(pSA, j, jMin , j < jMax);

gMesh = ArrayTo3DMesh(Gray,pSAA);
//Output(gMesh);
gMesh2 = RotateZ(PropK, gMesh, k*uMax/15, 0,0);
gMeshArray = MCopy(gMesh2,k,0, k<15);

Output(gMeshArray);

PropK = PropertySet("PenColor" = colors[int(k)]);



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* July 14, 2013, 12:22:24 PM
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Thanks Vlad
Worked like a charm :):)
Then we just have to wait on Dave

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* July 25, 2013, 09:08:36 AM
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Hi
Following the example set out by Vlad Veselow, I used a formula to describe the the surface used by kchapman in "TCSurface creation project (VB2005)". And I'm very impressed. Just to compare what needs to be done in Visual Basic script and Symbol Designer. A few lines of code does the trick. In addition, with sliders "Controls" we can immediately change the parameters. So far, results of this script I was able to insert to the TCAD only  by  *. dwg file. It looks like it will be a great tool.
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* August 08, 2013, 02:27:07 PM
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//cnc.psm created by Vlad Veselov
ColorLightGray = Parameter("Color", 0x00808080, COLOR);

Pi = 3.14159265359;
A = /* 1;*/Parameter("A", 1, LINEAR); // амплитуда
F = /* 1;*/Parameter("F", 1, LINEAR); // частота
dF = /* 0;*/Parameter("dF", 0, LINEAR); // фаза
iMin = 0;
iMax = 100;
x0 = -Pi;
dx = 2*Pi;

sin_step = Polyline(GetMyPoint(i-1, x0, dx, iMax, iMin, A, dF, Pi, F), GetMyPoint(i, x0, dx, iMax, iMin, A, dF, Pi, F));
g = MCopy(sin_step, i, iMin, i < iMax);

xMin = GetX(iMin, x0, dx, iMax, iMin)
yMin = -A;
xMax = GetX(iMax, x0, dx, iMax, iMin)
yMax = +A;
Output(g);

// Base
Base3D = SetProperties(Thickness(Rectangle(10,10,0,0), -1), "PenColor" = ColorLightGray);

// Tool
RB = 1/5;
RS = 1.5;
dH = 0.1;
x1 = GetX(i, x0, dx, iMax, iMin);
y1 = GetY(x1, A, dF, Pi, F);
//Tool = Move(Cone(-RS, RB, 0), x1, y1, dH);
pathA = MCopy(Point(x1,y1), i, iMin, i < iMax);
Path = ArrayToPolyline(pathA);
profile = Polyline(Point(0, -RS), Point(-RB,0),
Point(RB,0),Point(0, -RS));
Tool = Sweep(profile, Path,180);

Res = BooleanSubtract(Base3D, Tool);
Output(Res);
//Res1 = MCopy(Res, i, iMin, i < iMax);
//Output(Res1);


/////////////////////////////////
GetX(i, x0, dx, iMax, iMin)
{
x = x0 + dx * i/(iMax - iMin);
Output = {x};
}

GetY(x, A, dF, Pi, F)
{
y = A*sin(dF + 360/(2*Pi)*x*F);
Output = {y};
}

GetMyPoint(i, x0, dx, iMax, iMin, A, dF, Pi, F)
{
x = GetX(i, x0, dx, iMax, iMin);
y = GetY(x, A, dF, Pi, F);
p = Point(x, y);
Output = {p};
}


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* August 08, 2013, 02:30:40 PM
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The Symbol Designer tool l is currently under development.  The purpose of it is to help automate the creation and scripting of Parametric Parts for use in TurboCAD.   We would like to have any interested user's feedback on it.

http://downloads.imsidesign.com/Plug-ins/symboldesigner-b14.exe

http://downloads.imsidesign.com/symboldesigner/setup.exe

Thanks Dave.

From my point of view, this is just the time to provide the product description. From my experience I know how hard is to evaluate a program without having any related information.

SymbolDesigner (SD – is the program (more precisely a platform) that comprised of two parts PPM core and IDE (Integrated development environment.) The base of PPM core is the same licensed technology as in TurboCAD (TC). At this moment the third part -CAD plugins -are being developed. Such plugin will allow using PPM symbols (objects and tools) in a program environment, so all the parameters that were designed by the symbol author will be available.

SD is intended for dynamic CAD symbols designing and also for the tools that allow creating and editing regular primitives (polyline, circle …) as well as PPM symbols.

It is assumed that the symbols will be distributable, including commercial distribution. In this case the distribution pack will include the environment for PPM symbol functioning, i.e. SD IDE, or plug-in for CAD program. SD has a function to protect a script text from direct access (File Save As *.ppe). Password encryption allows symbol developers to protect their work.

SD is a standalone application; however PPM technology can reach the high level of compatibility with TC. In future we plan to obtain the degree of compatibility to 99%. It means transferring scripts from TC to SD. PPM TC can be considered as PPM version 1.0 and PPM SD as PPM version 2.0. That’s why transferring back (from SD to TC) is hard or impossible until TC will start supporting PPM 2.0.

The SD command set has twice as many commands as TC command set (~45 vs. ~80.) Besides, the commands are changed: the new variables and new prototypes (variants of command call) are added.

The SD command set is expanded with each new version. As usual the new commands are added while new samples creating. Dome_mesh.ppm revealed the necessity of working with mesh (ArrayTo3DMesh command), CNC.PPM pointed to the problems with 3D polyline, etc.

We will appreciate your comments, found bugs, and suggestions for expanding or changing the command set.

Vlad

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* August 08, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
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It fires up for me.  I'm not competent to achieve much with it, but I can create and orient figures in the interface window, and interact with .dwgs.

Murray,

This is not a tool as we usually understand this term. This is a platform for designing tools and dynamic objects. It is mostly intended for the developers of such objects. Please also see my reply to Dave  http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,11800.msg73171.html#msg73171.

Vlad

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* August 08, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
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Dave,

I've downloaded it and I have yet to use it because I'm not sure where it is at in Turbocad.  Also, will it work for version 18.2?

Rick

Rick,

SD is not related at this moment to TurboCAD, or any other product; this is a stand-alone application. However, both TurboCAD PPM and SD use the same conceptions, that’s why  most PPM scripts work in TurboCAD as well as in SD.

Vlad

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* August 08, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
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This looks like a tool with potential!
I'd like to know how to create ansi bolts with it.  Tips would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Eddie.

Eddie,

There are samples of Nut.ppm, Bolt.ppm in the  'Program Files (x86)\Softdev Spb\SymbolDesigner\Sample Files\3D Samples\' folder.

Vlad

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* August 08, 2013, 02:42:22 PM
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Thanks Vlad
Worked like a charm :):)
Then we just have to wait on Dave

Torfinn

Thank you Torfinn,

Actually my sample is just a technical approach to demonstrate the new MCopy and ArrayTo3DMesh functions (with some portion of aestheticism though.) And it sure cannot be compared to your sample (house) that Alex Presniak kindly demonstrated to me. Hope, sometimes the forum participants will be able to see and evaluate it.  :)
 
Vlad

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* August 08, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
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Following the example set out by Vlad Veselow, I used a formula to describe the the surface used by kchapman in "TCSurface creation project (VB2005)". And I'm very impressed. Just to compare what needs to be done in Visual Basic script and Symbol Designer. A few lines of code does the trick. In addition, with sliders "Controls" we can immediately change the parameters.

Thanks Marek.

Yes, it is enough to enter the formula and it will be represented as a curve or surface. Our goal was that the developer would get rid of tedious service code writing. PPM core will take care of this. Mathematical samples allow demonstrating it clearly. Here are more samples with formulas.

So far, results of this script I was able to insert to the TCAD only  by  *. dwg file. It looks like it will be a great tool.

Basically dwg file may contain all the data required for PPM objects, however you will need a special plug-in to use this information. Now, the possibility to create such functionality for different CAD programs is being considered.

Vlad

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* August 09, 2013, 01:54:23 AM
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Thanks Vlad
Worked like a charm :):)
Then we just have to wait on Dave

Torfinn

Thank you Torfinn,

Actually my sample is just a technical approach to demonstrate the new MCopy and ArrayTo3DMesh functions (with some portion of aestheticism though.) And it sure cannot be compared to your sample (house) that Alex Presniak kindly demonstrated to me. Hope, sometimes the forum participants will be able to see and evaluate it.  :)
 
Vlad

Thanks Vlad

The plan is to put out one of the early one, before i split the file, as you then know it's a big file and even i ho have made it, have some problem to know where the different things are :) after the split.
Alex also show'd me some places where i can shorten a bit and saving space/ size, this however i havent found the time for yet.
This summer have been a litle bit different from normal, but i guees that after a couple more week from now i can start having fun again.
Very boring when i actually need to work all the time for make a living :):)

Torfinn

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* August 09, 2013, 12:11:35 PM
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I think I have found a new pastime for the upcoming winter. It will keep me warm (due to the heat that my laptop is going to produce) and busy (due to the amount of studying I will have to do). Looks like I´ll dive head on into making a lot of doors, windows, stairs, furniture etc ...

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* August 12, 2013, 03:05:05 AM
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Thanks Vlad
Now I tried to draw a chalice Graal (formed by rotating 3D Archimedean spiral around its pole). These are not the proportions of the golden spiral of Archimedes, but similar). At now I have such comments -
- on triangle showing the plan, could be a visible sign of axles
- for 3D elements would be helpful tool "Examine" like in TC
Functions Mcopy and ArrayTo3DMesh work great. But with a large number of created points is a problem with conversion to a solid object in TC. I had much to simplify , the TC surface (up to 10%), before I could easily transform it to a solid.
I do not have access to the Platinum version SMesh tool. Without this,  surface after conversion to solid surface is not smooth. Function SMesh in  SD would be very helpfull. I attached  sample file with TC surface from ArrayTo3DMesh. Maybe someone will try to transform it to solid with a smooth surface. Maybe, I can not do it well.
I'm  still trying  SD in my free time and maybe some comments occur to me yet.
Marek

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* August 13, 2013, 11:29:54 AM
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I tried the tools - Sweep, Revolve. I opened dwg file inside SD  (it was 2D profile) and got Static_symbol. On basis this symbol, I wanted to draw a 2D profiles to be able to use the Revolve function.
- If there was a possibility of direct use static_symbol it would be cool
- If I wanted to use a symbol as the underlayer, I missed snaping
- If I used, SD tools (TPline.ppm, TArc3P.ppm),  I could not easily use the results of these tools, to create a closed Polyline. I had to  extract manually,  in some cases, the individual points what was a bit tedious.
Marek
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 11:31:45 AM by Marek »

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* August 14, 2013, 08:02:24 AM
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Thanks Marek.

- for 3D elements would be helpful tool "Examine" like in TC
Have you tried to use Ctrl + left mouse button?

- on triangle showing the plan, could be a visible sign of axles
- Function SMesh in  SD would be very helpfull
.
We will think about the possibility of adding 3D axis and SMesh.

I do not have access to the Platinum version SMesh tool. Without this,  surface after conversion to solid surface is not smooth.
ArrayTo3DMesh function creates mesh without normals, and TurboCAD renders in this situation place normals on planes. Such mesh does not look smooth, so we need an ability to control normals in SD.

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* August 15, 2013, 03:50:12 AM
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Thanks Vlad

Have you tried to use Ctrl + left mouse button?

Yes. It works.
Marek

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* August 15, 2013, 07:46:18 AM
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- If I used, SD tools (TPline.ppm, TArc3P.ppm),  I could not easily use the results of these tools, to create a closed Polyline. I had to  extract manually,  in some cases, the individual points what was a bit tedious.
Marek
I don t see any problems with creation of closed polyline. This option is enabled via local menu.

Vlad

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* August 15, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
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I am referring to the situation as on snaps 1i 2 -
- I got errors like on snaps 1 and 2 or something like ....  pL...returned bad value and cannnot calculeted ...

Generating these elements,  caused that they can not be used as a function for  point list "id = Polyline ([PS] p1, p2, ..);"

Marek
« Last Edit: August 15, 2013, 11:18:29 AM by Marek »

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* August 18, 2013, 10:21:53 AM
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Come to think of it, can PPM symbols also be used for generating wall openings? I am not talking about vertical openings, but how a wall opening looks in a floor plan/ground plan/horizontal section of a wall.

Michael

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* August 20, 2013, 08:42:46 AM
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I opened dwg file inside SD  (it was 2D profile) and got Static_symbol.
Yes, at this time there are some limitations when working with Static_symbol. We are considering two variants: either full conversion static symbols to PPM objects, or ability to get additional information from such objects for working in SD (vertices, normales, etc.).


Come to think of it, can PPM symbols also be used for generating wall openings? I am not talking about vertical openings, but how a wall opening looks in a floor plan/ground plan/horizontal section of a wall.
In fact, this is what SD was created for. Its implementation in TurboCAD or FloorPlan requires only IMSI making a decision.

Vlad

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* August 20, 2013, 03:08:40 PM
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...

Come to think of it, can PPM symbols also be used for generating wall openings? I am not talking about vertical openings, but how a wall opening looks in a floor plan/ground plan/horizontal section of a wall.
In fact, this is what SD was created for. Its implementation in TurboCAD or FloorPlan requires only IMSI making a decision.

Vlad

Hi Vlad, thanks for the reply. I was almost sure about this and this will help move TC more into a BIM (building information modeling) CAD system, if the decision is made, that is.
Regarding wall openings, I am not referring to the window itself (frame, glas, grips etc.) but the raw opening in the wall/s, and if the actual wall openings are based on PPM elements, then I´d def would love to start rather sooner than later with working on those! The plain box wall openings, especially in the top view where the walls are automatically cut open (and I suspect a rather simple process of simply capping a wall left and right from a defined center point of an opening element) are a real "bump in the road" for my personal work flow.  :'(

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* January 12, 2015, 10:57:40 PM
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Has there been any further development with the Symbol Designer, this really would have great benefits for Title Blocks, Sheet layouts, Bills of Materials, and lots of the symbols that could be parametric instead of thousands of various symbols.

It needs to be in a non programmer orientated format really to be of use to a whole range of users, but was just curious to know if it went any further.


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March 14, 2015, 11:53:08 AM
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I have just down loaded from this date « Reply #18 on: July 15, 2013, 03:53:22 PM » (last known) and am interested as to it working and will try this out.

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* November 20, 2017, 05:09:42 PM
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A New version of SD :)
Its a Beta version free to use for TC users until it's ready for sale.
Link;
ftp://serbin:[email protected]/SymbolDesigner/build112

It cant be used directly together with TC at the moment, but we can save as dwg and take the result in to TC already.
Attach some pic that show original and imported dwg's to TC and given material in TC
Original also have some options for material, and we can make more if we need
The cupboard in TC have a lot of them :),( just to show options )
The stol i used smesh Level 1 on the seat and moved it down a bit in TC.

The Cupboard takes only about 10 min to make i think, some dang pretty nice Tools in SD now.
I will make a video tomorrow, to show some basic of the use that i have figured out so far, and add a YouTube link to it here.

Torfinn

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* November 21, 2017, 02:23:30 AM
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A small adjustment
We can use SD in TC, it is the SD demo files we cant run in TC, just so that is clear.

SD just open my last ppm,made in TC, a new version of the Cabinet i put out in ppm section some years ago i have worked some more on it, made more profiles and also possible to set out drawers.

And then the youtubelink

https://youtu.be/d-OlL60v0vY

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* November 26, 2017, 02:34:09 PM
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This is an update of the SD, unistall the old one and install New.

ftp://serbin:[email protected]/SymbolDesigner/build114

Attach also a ppm made in TC that will work in both, SD and TC

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* November 27, 2017, 04:08:35 PM
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Hey Torfinn Looking forward to when the symbols designer is finalised for sale, I gunna buy it.

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* November 27, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
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Hi Darryl

Yeah, it is a great tool to have, and meanwhile you can also use the ppm editor that come with TC PP, it is possible to do a lot of stuff there and have some fun.
SD have more tool, but are also sort of more strickt in that the ppm is written corret, and also you can use Property Set for setting up the basic before making the ppm, like colors, penstyle etc etc.

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* December 07, 2017, 09:18:56 AM
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A update on SD
Now it can use the Move command to make copies of Blocks, a big timesaver with many Objects.
A short video to show difference between TC and SD is on youtube.

https://youtu.be/jpa0riqreOE

Link to the latest build of SD;
ftp://serbin:[email protected]/SymbolDesigner/build116

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* December 07, 2017, 03:45:06 PM
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Hey Torfinn

When do you expect that SD will be available for purchase?

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* December 07, 2017, 04:31:44 PM
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Hi Darryl

I have absolutly no ide'a :)
I can ask tomorrow, but for the moment it's free to test out ;)

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* December 08, 2017, 05:43:00 PM
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Hi Darryl

There is not set any time for start selling SD, so the free versions there are here now is how it gonna be for  "a looong time"

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