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X-Refs to The Cloud
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* March 31, 2013, 08:01:09 PM
Does it make any sense for a small group of users, sharing the same files, but with no "cental" network server, to save certain files- and X-Ref to those files in other drawings- in The Cloud (such as Drop-Box, or Google-Drive, or Sky-Drive)?

We have three to four users revising and accessing multiple TurboCAD files, on multiple machines, all from different locations.  I'm doing the principal drawing, and would like to have items like title-block logos, images, Title-Blocks, etc. X-Ref'ed, but don't want to always have to make sure the X-Refs are "packed" along (it won't happen) with the drawing-files.

Even for myself, every time I revise the Title-Block in one drawing (the main drawing) I have to update- manually, or via copy|paste- other drawing-files that will be part of all the sheets in the final set (because I don't know what computer I'll be working on next).

Does it make sense for a small company with the scenario I described above- with no network or central-server- to use X-Refs in/via The Cloud, as I described?

Thanks, Alvin

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April 01, 2013, 05:51:24 AM
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Alvin

xReffing makes sense, having one set of graphics stored centrally.

xRefs can also be a problem if you even want to go offsite or an internet connection is not available, as the xRef will not be available and a warning message is displayed as TC cannot find the xRef file.

The good thing about xRef's is that they keep your user files small as the graphics are not stored within your customer file.

You can of course bind them to the drawing if you ever need or worry about loss of access to the Xref file location.


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* April 01, 2013, 06:14:09 AM
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Alvin

xReffing makes sense, having one set of graphics stored centrally.

xRefs can also be a problem if you even want to go offsite or an internet connection is not available, as the xRef will not be available and a warning message is displayed as TC cannot find the xRef file.

The good thing about xRef's is that they keep your user files small as the graphics are not stored within your customer file.

You can of course bind them to the drawing if you ever need or worry about loss of access to the Xref file location.

"Bind them"?

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April 01, 2013, 08:20:05 AM
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Yeah Alvin

See image below

This basically removes the link to the xRef file and make it a Block that will be saved inside your user file.  :)

Right click on an xRef in your Blocks Palette/External References and menu pops up.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2013, 08:21:59 AM by Darrel Carl Durose »

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* April 01, 2013, 09:52:55 AM
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Yeah Alvin

See image below

This basically removes the link to the xRef file and make it a Block that will be saved inside your user file.  :)

Right click on an xRef in your Blocks Palette/External References and menu pops up.

Oh. I see it.  I assume all revisions to what "used to be" the X-Ref will no longer update in everyone's different computers' drawing-files (or can it work "backwards", and-  when bind-ed-  any revisions I make to it in one file update the X-Ref in its file- and thereby, everyone's drawing-files [if they click "update", or "reload", or something])

-Alvin

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April 01, 2013, 10:08:44 AM
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Alvin

The Customer file that contains a link to the xRef can be manually updated using "reload" and also upon opening the customer file the xRef is reloaded anyway.

I often open the xRef file and change something then hit reload in my customer file to see the change.

Once you have removed the link to the xRef "Binded" any changes and links to the xRef are lost, it becomes just a standard block (the graphics are contained within your customer file).

One thing to point out where you have lost connection with xRef's (i.e. opened on another machine where the xRef file doe not exist) the Block positions and link will still be intact. So when you open back on the machine that the xRef exists, or update the path to the xRef, the graphic will appear back in your drawing.


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* April 01, 2013, 10:28:43 AM
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Alvin

The Customer file that contains a link to the xRef can be manually updated using "reload" and also upon opening the customer file the xRef is reloaded anyway.

I often open the xRef file and change something then hit reload in my customer file to see the change.

Once you have removed the link to the xRef "Binded" any changes and links to the xRef are lost, it becomes just a standard block (the graphics are contained within your customer file).

One thing to point out where you have lost connection with xRef's (i.e. opened on another machine where the xRef file doe not exist) the Block positions and link will still be intact. So when you open back on the machine that the xRef exists, or update the path to the xRef, the graphic will appear back in your drawing.

Yes.  I get all that Darrel.  Pretty much how I figured it would "behave".

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I think the best thing to do for multiple-users (a couple read-only, for examination and printing purposes), each using multiple computers, working with the same drawing-file-  when there is no central-network-server present-  is to store the X-Refs on a cloud-drive.  I (nor the commerical-design/build construction company I am working with) are set up on the cloud; I am thinking Google-Drive, Drop-Box, or Sky-Drive shoud serve my/our purposes.

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Thanks for the input and clarifications on this Topic Darrel.   -Alvin

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* April 01, 2013, 10:34:21 AM
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A cloud will more than likely be really slow when loading an Xref from.

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April 01, 2013, 10:44:37 AM
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As Greg mentioned the speed could be a major drawback.

You would be better off using a central server or an external hard drive that can be networked easily.

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* April 01, 2013, 11:22:36 AM
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Okay.  Thanks Greg and Darrel for that input regarding the Cloud.  That's something to consider.

Now I'm thinking something like setting up a Virtual Private Network (which I know nothing about) may be the way to go.

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Follow-up Question:  What External Reference file-sizes and quantity are you guys thinking would be too slow to work with over the Cloud?  For what we are doing, I only need maybe six (Title-Blocks, logos- that sort of thing).

-Alvin

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April 01, 2013, 11:36:09 AM
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No harm in trying it Alvin.  8)

I use 3D xRef's a lot so it may be to slow for me  :P

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* April 01, 2013, 02:21:50 PM
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I'll report back- on this Topic- if and when I/we start using X-Refs that we uploaded to a cloud-drive, and report the results.

-Alvin

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