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Starship Enterprise
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* February 06, 2013, 06:20:33 PM
An 8 page set of details plans. Here is a sample (unfortunately low rez). The printed plans show very fine lines and are very detailed.

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February 06, 2013, 07:41:08 PM
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Looks excellent Jim...

You got there in the end  :)

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February 06, 2013, 07:53:13 PM
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* February 06, 2013, 09:09:19 PM
#3
What incredible detail!

Henry H

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* February 07, 2013, 01:36:59 AM
#4
Looks great Big Jim.Are you working on a 3d model?If so would like to see at your leisure

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Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement Henry Ford
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* February 07, 2013, 07:16:39 AM
#5
Great work Jim, and Thanks for sharing. Carroll

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* February 07, 2013, 09:29:13 AM
#6
Cool. Did you draw it on the basis of a model?
Marek

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* February 07, 2013, 07:31:37 PM
#7
To answer the questions, there is a 3D model. However, I have not done a lot of prettying up. Let me see if I can generate something to see.

I created a 3D model that was intended to be a recreation of the original 100" studio model---but with certain artistic improvements. The source material was thousands of photographs, the dimensions of the source and every existing plan that I could come up with for reference (including orthos of the CGI model used in the director's cut). Out of the dozen plans I looked at, one was pretty good. The rest just provided sanity checks.

I did a lot of photoshoping and drawing lines on top of corrected images. I'd look at a grid line and see what lines up with it. I knew the original was 100" long and the warp engine tubes were 4". From that I had some basis for scale.

I believe that the solid model has every detail that can be found on the original (with some artistic corrections). I attached an image of one small piece. I counted the number of grid lines that go around the dome in photographs and this solid has the same number.

I finished the solid model a few years ago. There is a guy making a physical model from it. It was 3D printed and is now being cast. I attached a picture of the printed out version at 1/2 scale (50 inches). (Oh, to have a high resolution 3D printer with a large table of my own! Powerball time!). Casting has taken a long time.

Until the 64-bit version of TC came out, I could not make a 2D version of it. Creating anything in the drafting pallet immediately crashes the 32-bit version.

The way this all came about is that I was working on a 1:350 U.S.S. Enterprise (the aircraft carrier). I saw a 1:350 U.S.S. Enterprise (the sci fi) in a store and I thought, "wouldn't they be interesting together?" (big mistake) Then I found that the Sci-Fi kit was horribly engineered and not really all that accurate. So I started drawing the corrections. Then a friend said I should do the whole thing.

I have been conned into doing one other Sci-Fi thingy. No more after that. The ship modelers are friendly and helpful. The sci-fi modelers tend not to be.


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* February 09, 2013, 02:29:22 AM
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The trekkipaedia part of my mind say's 'Constitution' class but I cannot remember them all now.  In these films Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.

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* February 10, 2013, 08:52:23 PM
#9
The trekies call it the "Constitution Refit".

People ask me about the "Tractor Beam Emitter" and I just know it ias some thingamabog.

For you trivia buffs---apparently between the 3d and 4th movies, they lost some parts. In the 4th movie these became Millenium Falcon cockpits. In later movies they become parts from some Japanese animation figures.

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February 12, 2013, 09:18:17 AM
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Great Job

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* February 17, 2013, 09:42:36 AM
#11
Not to prolong this discussion but ... I thought you might find these pictures sent to me.

I sent a copy of the plans I generated from the Turbocad 3D model to a person who had run 3D printing over the same model. He put them side-by-side. I'm not sure whether these are the originals or casts of them.

The original studio model is 100" long and in magic movie land is claimed to be 1:120 scale (something that works in some place but not in others).
Three of my sheets are in 1:480 scale (to fit a 100" object on a 36" long sheet---48 inches does no better); 4 sheets are at 1:240; and one 1:120. The solid model is at 1:240 and sitting on plans of those scale.

I thought this might be a good example of what you can do in Turbocad.  :-)


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* February 17, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
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When complete don't hesitate attach a nice looking image,its coming along beautifully.Check out this link what other starships went at auction.

http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/07/enterprise-d-model-sells-for-500/


http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/15/solidoodle-3-hands-on/
« Last Edit: February 17, 2013, 10:10:19 AM by wd »

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Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement Henry Ford
If I have ever made any valuable discoveries it has been owing more to patient attention than to any other talent Isaac Newton
I have not failed Ive just found 10,000 ways that won't work Thomas Edison


* February 17, 2013, 04:04:23 PM
#13
That 3D printer sounds like it uses better material than used here. It is my understanding that the parts here tend to warp and have to be heated and bent to shape for casting.

All I need to do is win the lottery.

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* February 18, 2013, 05:06:50 AM
#14
I agree ( materials). I think it could go places,diversify make one with larger table and more travel capacity in the X,Y,Z axises,maybe use ballscrews x,y,I think he has one in the back for the z axis,You have better odds playing poker at the casinos instead of the lottery  :)

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Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement Henry Ford
If I have ever made any valuable discoveries it has been owing more to patient attention than to any other talent Isaac Newton
I have not failed Ive just found 10,000 ways that won't work Thomas Edison


* February 18, 2013, 06:28:14 PM
#15
The saucer (largest component) is just under 47 inches. To do that at half scale, you need a table at least 24x24"

You need as high resolution as possible. One problem they had was that a lot of part cleanup was required because of the stepping. With the fine details, this was rather problematic.

They sent me some sample parts they made. A year later, the ones I had were all warped.

j.

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* February 20, 2013, 09:54:49 AM
#16
Enterprise stimulates the imagination. :D.  It reminded me of a script posted by Brian on the   DoubleCAD forum.

" Ok, ok - so, maybe I have Star Trek on the brain, and I am a bit of a nerd so I wrote this little script. While I did it for fun it does illustrate some of the power of the PPM and the abiity to generate complex objects.

Anyway - Enjoy! (maybe next time I'll add phasers)

// Draw Enterprise

//Create Saucer

c0 = Polyline(
    Point(-4.97,1.15),
    Arc0(0,0),
    Point(-4.97,-1.15));

c1 = Polyline(
    Point(-4.87,1.13),
    Arc0(0,0),
    Point(-4.87,-1.13));

c2 = Polyline(
    Point(-3.88,0.99),
    Arc0(0,0),
    Point(-3.88,-0.99));

c3 = Circle(2.9);
c4 = Circle(1.9);
c5 = Circle(1.3);
c6 = Circle(1);
11 = Polyline(Point(1,0),Point(5,0));
12 = RotateZ(l1,22.5,0,0,7);
13 = RotateZ(l1,-22.5,0,0,7);
14= Polyline(Point(-1,0),Point(-3,0));

B = Polyline(
   Point(0.25,0.6),
   Arc0(0.25,0),
   Point(0.25,-0.6),
   Point(-0.4,-0.4),
   Arc0(-0.25,0),
   Point(-0.4,0.4),
   Point(0.25,0.6)
   );

I = Polyline(
   Point(-4,1),
   Arc0(-4,0),
   Point(-4,-1),
   Point(-5,-1.15),
   Point(-5.5,-1),
   Point(-5.5,1),
   Point(-5,1.15),
   Point(-4,1)
   );

I2 = Circle(0.75,-4,0);
I3 = Circle(0.15,-4,0);
I5 = Circle(0.1,-4,0);
I4 = Circle(0.8,-4,0);
IL1 = Polyline(Point(-3.85,0),Point(-3.25,0));
IL2 = RotateZ(IL1,11.25,-4,0,32);

Bridge1 = Circle(0.4,0.25);

G1 = Group(c0,c1,c2,c3,c4,c5,c6,11,12,13,14,
Bridge1,B,I,I2,I3,I4,I5,IL1,IL2);


//Create Nacelles
N = Polyline(
Point(-7.53, 4.01),
Arc1(-8.32,3.82),
Point(-8.32,4.63),
Point(-9.91,4.63),
Arc1(-9.91,3.95),
Point(-10.24,4.54),
Point(-15.11,4.54),
Arc1(-16.06,-7.52),
Point(-18.82,4.26),
Arc1(-18.69,3.85),
Point(-19.09, 4.01)
);

N2 = RotateX(N,180,4.01,0);
NW = Polyline(
Point(-15.87,4.57),
Point(-15.98,4.67),
Point(-18.07,4.67),
Point(-18.39,4.35)
);

NV = Polyline(
Point(-7.66,4.29),
Point(-7.98,4.29),
Point(-8.06,4.14),
Point(-10.08,4.14),
Point(-10.08,4.07),
Point(-7.5471,4.07)
);
NV2 = RotateX(NV,180,4.01,0);

NN = Polyline(
Point(-10.14,4.01),
Point(-10.14,4.11),
Point(-10.49,4.39),
Point(-15.11,4.39),
Arc1(-15.25,-1),
Point(-16.72,4.22),
Arc1(-16.63,3.80),
Point(-17,4.01)
);
NN2 = RotateX(NN,180,4.01,0);

NNN = Polyline(
Point(-10.3535,4.2809),
Point(-13.1452,4.2809),
Arc1(-13.1452,1.6294),
Point(-14.0042,4.1379),
Arc1(-13.9371,3.942),
Point(-14.1318,4.01)
);
NNN2 = RotateX(NNN,180,4.01,0);

NNNN = Polyline(
Point(-10.1674,4.1309),
Point(-12.6447,4.1309),
Arc1(-12.6447,3.3526),
Point(-12.9682,4.0604),
Arc1(-12.9461,4.0119),
Point(-12.9993,4.01)
);
NNNN2 = RotateX(NNNN,180,4.01,0);

NC = Circle(0.0605,-18.5501,4.01);
NL1 = Polyline(Point(-17.00,4.01),Point(-18.489,4.01));
NL2 = Polyline(Point(-18.61,4.01),Point(-19.085,4.01));

G2 = Group(N,N2,NW,NV,NV2,NN,NN2,NC,NL1,NL2,NNN,
NNN2,NNNN,NNNN2);

G3 = RotateX(G2,180,0,0);

// Creat Primary Hull & Pylons

P = Polyline(
Point(-4.7441,1.8753),
Arc1(-6.4966,-15.8782),
Point(-10.2943,1.849)
);

PP = Polyline(
Point(-11.1305,1.6631),
Arc0(-13.5319,13.6748),
Point(-13.5319,1.4254),
Arc1(-13.5319,0),
Point(-14.9573,0)
);

PPP = Polyline(
Point(-5.5,0.3734),
Point(-6.8276,0.3734),
Arc1(-6.8276,0),
Point(-7.201,0)
);

PPPP = Polyline(
Point(-7.201,0),
Point(-13.9072,0)
);

PPPPP = Polyline(
Point(-13.9072,0),
Arc0(-13.5319,0),
Point(-13.6286,0.363),
Point(-13.8536,1.2027),
Arc1(-13.5319,0),
Point(-14.7769,0)
);

WW = Polyline(
Point(-11.2359,3.48),
Point(-10.071,1.4623),
Arc0(-10.1792,1.3998),
Point(-10.1792,1.2748),
Point(-10.6904,1.2748),
Arc0(-10.6904,1.3114),
Point(-10.7788,1.3114),
Point(-12.9474,3.48)
);

G4 = Group(P,PP,PPP,PPPP,PPPPP,WW);
G5 = RotateX(G4,180,0,0);


//Draw

Output(G1,G2,G3,G4,G5);
« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 11:14:08 AM by Marek »

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* February 20, 2013, 10:49:12 AM
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Hi Marek

Maybe you should take away the smiley and replace with

NN = Polyline(
Point(-10.14,4.01),
Point(-10.14,4.11),
Point(-10.49,4.39),
Point(-15.11,4.39),
Arc1(-15.25,-1),
Point(-16.72,4.22),
Arc1(-16.63,3),            ((((( Or somthing else than a single dot :)
Point(-17,4.01)
);


Torfinn

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* February 20, 2013, 11:09:00 AM
#18
Hi
You are right. Now is probably better to work.  :) . To make sure, I attach the script ppm, yet .
« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 12:32:17 PM by Marek »

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* February 20, 2013, 01:57:28 PM
#19
Hey Bigjimslade,

you don´t happen to know one Steve Neill, do you? Or "TheRPF" by any chance?

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February 24, 2013, 10:35:42 AM
#20
Wonderful work Jim!

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* February 25, 2013, 09:24:01 AM
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Hey Bigjimslade,

you don´t happen to know one Steve Neill, do you? Or "TheRPF" by any chance?

I have heard the name. I don't know him or what his roll in the Star Trek world is.

This is my first (and hopefully last sci-fi project) so I am not really connected to those folks.

I requested a quote from a printer---$96 a set. Yuck.

j.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2013, 05:13:27 PM by bigjimslade »

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* February 27, 2013, 04:38:44 PM
#22
Seems pretty steep for 8 pages. what size paper?

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* March 06, 2013, 05:41:47 PM
#23
The sheets are 36"x24" (ARCH D). I was getting them at Staples for about $4 a sheet with tax. I got a quote form two printers. One was $36  for 8 and the other was $96 for eight.

Might as well go to staples.

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* March 06, 2013, 08:37:44 PM
#24
That was easy   ;D

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