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CPU Struggles with Passmark-Off Topic
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* January 03, 2013, 10:52:13 PM
My CPU is on the elder side and I had it rated at a Passmark of 483.6 which is about 20 times
slower than an Intel Core i7-3770K (Passmark of 9,796).  So my cpu is at 100% when online with
Firefox.  TurboCad 12.5 probably doesn't use nearly that much but would an upgrade in cpu make
an overall difference in my computer experience?  I'd like to upgrade to a new mobo and get 8GB of
ram and a new sata hard drive.  I'm not going to upgrade from Windows XP Pro just yet even
though is doesn't recognize ram over 4GB.  I also have a tv card that might take up cpu resources. 
Any thoughts if I'm on the right thinking line?

Happy New Year!

John B.
TC 12.5 Pro
Windows XP Pro 32-Bit
AMD Athlon 64 3400+
2 GB Ram
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 08:43:54 AM by John B. »

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January 04, 2013, 02:13:41 AM
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My CPU is on the elder side and I had it rated at a Passmark of 483.6 which is about 20 times
slower than an Intel Core i7-3770K (Passmark of 9,796).  So my cpu is at 100% when online with
Firefox.  TurboCad 12.5 probably doesn't use nearly that much but would an upgrade in cpu make
an overall difference in my computer experience? I'd like to upgrade to a new mobo and get 8GB of
ram and a new sata hard drive.
I'm not going to upgrade from Windows XP Pro just yet even
though is doesn't recognize ram over 4GB.  I also have a tv card that might take up cpu resources. 
Any thoughts if I'm on the right thinking line?

Happy New Year!

John B.
TC 12.5 Pro
Windows XP Prp
AMD Athlon 64 3400+
2 GB Ram

Hi John,

if were you, I would look as highlighted.  The new  technology is the most cost effective way to go.  You could run XP or Win 7 as you wish, and get the benefit of being able to use the extra RAM - with a 64-bit system.  I hope this helps.

And, a happy New Year to you.  May it be free of such demanding decision making!  ;)

Regards Tim
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 05:40:09 AM by Tim Stewart »

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* January 04, 2013, 10:31:14 AM
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Hi Tim,

One big issue I have is converting to a 64-Bit system.  I Think most of my software will work but I'm worried about some of the hardware.  If I can upgrade the mobo and cpu I might be able to hold off on Windows 8.

John

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January 04, 2013, 10:38:02 AM
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One of the biggest improvements I found was changing to a Solid state Hard drive (SSD)

The speed of the OS loading, program starts, file loads and overall performance it amazing and TC loves them.

I have an old ASUS R2H UMPC that was useless until I changed the spinning drive to an SSD.


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* January 04, 2013, 01:24:14 PM
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Two SSD's sounds good because they aren't made in the 500GB range yet.  I've got 133GB used on a 400GB EIDE spinner.

John B.

EDIT:  I take that back.  I just did a search on SSD's and Samsung has a 500GB for about $350.00.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 01:26:56 PM by John B. »

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January 04, 2013, 01:27:20 PM
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John.

I use a 500GB hybrid drive for storage of files. The SSD/s just for the OS and programs is the way to go  :)

$350.00 is a good price....but I would if I was you have 2 x 256gb SSD's configed Raid 1 MIRROR so if one fails you won't loose everything and the hybrid for user files.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 01:31:14 PM by Darrel Carl Durose »

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* January 04, 2013, 01:49:05 PM
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2 x 256gb SSD's configured Raid 1 MIRROR

That's a good idea.  Don't SSD's act more like Ram than hard drives?

John B.

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January 04, 2013, 02:39:09 PM
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Yes John, no moving parts so no lag and no noise :)

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* January 04, 2013, 04:14:49 PM
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I've been doing research on Physical Memory Limits and there is such a thing as PAE (Physical Address Extension).  It's really an involved summary on 32 and 64 bit OS.  Maybe a chance I can extend XP-32 beyond 4GB.

Read this:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_xp

John B.

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January 05, 2013, 08:48:53 AM
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I've been doing research on Physical Memory Limits and there is such a thing as PAE (Physical Address Extension).  It's really an involved summary on 32 and 64 bit OS.  Maybe a chance I can extend XP-32 beyond 4GB.

Read this:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_xp

John B.

Hi John,

this only works if you have the software to recognise the changes - so forget it for TC.  A 64-bit machine, OS, software etcetera, is really the only logical way of getting the highest performance for your needs.  SSDs are a nice improvement if you have the $$$s.  Me, I think I will wait awhile before considering them - sometime when the development costs have been paid and they are as "cheap as chips"!

Regards Tim

P.S. I wouldn't worry about using Win 8, it's just Win 7 with a few more bells and whistles - really no advantage for TC users.  You could use XP pro 64-bit if that would suit.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2013, 11:29:50 AM by Tim Stewart »

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* January 05, 2013, 10:31:42 PM
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I think I'll keep my wish list on hold unless I can get a super great deal on hardware.  I'll love SSD's when they come down in price.  I can get by with what I have but Firefox bugs me when it uses my CPU too much.  It's possible to revert to a previous release that might use less CPU.  I'll definitely do more research.  I know I'll need a new video card if I get a new mobo because they stopped making AGP.

John B.

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January 06, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
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John

It might be worth you looking at this web page blog

could solve why your CPU is at 100% when online with Firefox... http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?s=5d2ea076d3ddccc180348830c735de3b&t=7701

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* January 06, 2013, 11:04:11 PM
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Darrel,

It might be worth you looking at this web page blog

I followed the link and went to my Mozilla Plugins and ended up updating Java and QuickTime so maybe that will help.  Tomorrow I'll call Microtek to find out if my scanner has 64-bit drivers just for the info.  I don't think my tv card will work but maybe there exceptions for hardware with 32-bit drivers.

Thanks for the research,

John B.

P.S.  Are the links to the Wear Strip and nozzles safe?  I don't need any now, however.

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* January 06, 2013, 11:20:44 PM
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John B
 Did you up grade to Firefox 18.7 might help?

« Last Edit: January 08, 2013, 09:15:05 AM by wd »

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January 07, 2013, 01:19:41 AM
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This Spamming is a bit worrying. I hope that its not going to ruin this great forum for us. The 'kukisis' 'user' is bombarding the servers like hell trying to post in this "General Discussion" board. I hope it doesn't go into meltdown!

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* January 07, 2013, 05:43:18 AM
#15
Darrel

No need  to worry.It won't ruin the forum for the members sake.Usually the moderators are  pretty good on a fix.At lease on this forum.Its when the forum get flooded with spam it becomes a problem.The thing to do is report and provide a link location.From what I seen in the past normally they clean it up with in 24 hours.

At times spammers use this forum as junk yard for there product line.My Hotmail account is prime example of this.Once I load a sort of flash blocker plug-in it made an improvement.Also took flash off one my workstations.The other it not much of problem.Once removal of flash you lose web site videos that's draw back on doing that. :)
« Last Edit: January 08, 2013, 02:22:50 PM by wd »

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* January 07, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
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Firefox 18.0 is coming out the second week of January.  So says the Mozilla website.  But I could be wrong.  :-)

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Release_Tracking

John B.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2013, 10:17:41 AM by John B. »

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* January 07, 2013, 11:27:15 AM
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Its out you just got find it.But if your running 17 that's fine also as along if your not running real old version since beginning of time see attachment.Actually 19 is in the works but soon as they're done testing 18 it probably follow.see attachment

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I have not failed Ive just found 10,000 ways that won't work Thomas Edison


* January 07, 2013, 12:14:05 PM
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wd,

As long that I know it only a Firefox problem then I can relax.  Computer upgrades drive me nutty!

Thanks,

John B.

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* January 07, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
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John B

Another thing might help,is that a scan for malware which,Malwarebytes,Spybot,are freebies that can do good clean up of your rig, just Google them up.Delete all the cookies from IE,you may see improvement on cpu load.The other thing that can cause havoc is anti-virus software that is always updating like a running faucet drawing load.

If you can schedule update its option to set with in the software.Funny thing the one workstation with Xp give me less trouble than the one with W7 that I have.I get high cpu loads when I get a malware attack.

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If I have ever made any valuable discoveries it has been owing more to patient attention than to any other talent Isaac Newton
I have not failed Ive just found 10,000 ways that won't work Thomas Edison


January 07, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
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Somehow the post did not get deleted when I banned that user.  I apologize.

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January 07, 2013, 05:06:40 PM
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Glad you are keeping an eye out for this Rip....
I am sick of seeing the garbled made up names of the "online users" at the bottom of the Home page on this forum  >:(

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* January 08, 2013, 11:51:30 PM
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I upgraded to Firefox 18.0 (auto) and downloaded Spybot and ran it.  A lot of cookies deleted but they'll be back.  Screenshot shows my cpu action.  I'm wondering if I did get a new cpu, mobo etc., would that new cpu act the same and be used up like FF does now?  I can really watch the graph action when I use the scroll wheel.  I appreciate all the help for a non cad issue.

John B.

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* January 09, 2013, 05:57:58 AM
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If your going to get another cpu and mother board.And your not going to do yourself and have a PC shop do for you.Would be a better choice to look into another PC more complications and cost could arise.If cpu isn't consistently at running at 100% I wouldn't worry about.If its at 100% all the time than the cpu will over heat and your fan isn't cooling enough.Walmart has PCs with all kind price ranges.Might be good idea back up all your files if it fails.W7 Pro is my first choice,it will run your version 12.Yup cookies will return but I run clean once a day with Slim Cleaner (freebie).

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* January 20, 2013, 11:01:58 PM
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I upgraded to Firefox 18.0

Today I uninstalled Firefox 18.0 and installed Firefox 3.6.6.  I already notice a difference in wheel scrolling on certain websites including Turbocad Forum and eBay.  Scrolling is better now.  Also, I found out that the video card can play a role with your browser.  Otherwise I won't plunk down any money for superficial problems with surfing the web.  It took a lot of research on the Firefox website.

John B.

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January 21, 2013, 08:53:27 AM
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would an upgrade in cpu make an overall difference

Add  a new main board and some  high end memory too with an upgrade in your OS. The delta will be substantial.


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I'd like to upgrade to a new mobo and get 8GB of
ram and a new sata hard drive.  I'm not going to upgrade from Windows XP Pro just yet even
though is doesn't recognize ram over 4GB.

As  you know, ram over XPs limit will be a waste of money.  Get a copy of Win 7 64bit (not the Home Basic, which only supports 8 GB of RAM). 
I picked up the Home Premium Retail box (will support 16GB) for rather cheap now that Windows 8 is out you can get it  cheaper.  The refinements in Win 7 over XP are  - - well - - substantial.

Right now I'm running two computers. One is  running my old copy of XP pro and the other running Win 7 with only 4 GIG of  corsair dominator RAM  and an athalon phenom II X3 720.  The XP box is  soooo  sloooooow.    Firefox running viudeos chews up so mcuh CPU that it's pegged at 100% almost all the time.  Kaspersky's  AVP.EXE is another CPU hog  on the XP box, but not under Win 7, 64Bit.
 


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* January 21, 2013, 10:44:15 PM
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Cliff,

I'm reading the writing on the wall and as staunch supporter of the status quo as I am I'll have to bite the bullet sooner or later and I'm getting great information from the forum.  Technology is getting too far ahead of me.

John B.

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January 22, 2013, 07:36:26 AM
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I upgraded to Firefox 18.0

Today I uninstalled Firefox 18.0 and installed Firefox 3.6.6. 

Older versions of Firefox can be found here:
http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?ModPagespeed=noscript
Google "older versions of Firefox"
The older versions do demand less CPU time as they were made for older CPUs and less RAM.  However they can also involve more security risks as they were not engineered with the current threats in mind.   So, Caveat Emptor, as always.


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* January 22, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
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they can also involve more security risks

I'm relying on Norton to cover my back.  I checked mom's computer - Intel Pentium Dual Core E2140 1.6 GHz -  and it has almost twice the cpu and uses only about 25% cpu on the identical web pages but instead of my taking over her computer she's eluding to helping with something newer for Valentines Day.  Such is life....

John B.

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