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Title: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: DaveShopman on May 14, 2017, 10:12:12 AM
I just downloaded TC Deluxe 2017 Upgrade from TC Deluxe 21. My first drawing had a message on the screen that said "Redsdk was not supported in this window." When I drew a line, it didn't display... After consulting the Readme file, I changed my display settings to GDI. I can now see the line displayed onscreen. I tried downloading updates to my chipset from Intel, but the installation failed, probably because I think it's detecting a generic chipset and calling it Intel.
My system is about five~six years old, purchased from a local (but now out of business) computer builder/retailer. I know it's an ASUS motherboard with onboard graphics. I'm running Windows 10, and have everything set at 32 bit. I only use TC ocassionally for my home improvement business, so I'm not a "power user."
Here's the question (finally): any thoughts on a decent graphics card in the $75~$150 price range that would be compatable with my older hardware and the new TC 2017 Deluxe? I don't do any 3D yet, but might in the future. A whole new isn't in the budget right now, so I could probably get along on the GDI setting.
Thanks in advance, Dave
Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: John Earl on May 14, 2017, 11:09:29 AM
Dave,

I built a budget system this winter which is serving me well so far.   I am doing mostly simple 2D and some architectural 3D.  The video card I selected is the NVidea GTX 960.  This is more than you would like to spend but is a lower level card, in my opinion.  What I found most helpful was searching Youtube videos on budget gaming systems.  There are videos addressing selection of components and also compatibility and assembly.

TC 2016 Pro Plat 64b ver 23.2 build 61.2
TC 21.2 Pro Plat 64b  Build 71.0
Intel i5 6500 3.2G 8GB Ram Win7 Pro 64b SP1
MSI Z170-A Nvidia GTX960 Asus 27" 2560 x 1440

TC 21.2 Pro Plat 64b  Build 71.0
Intel i5 6500 3.2G 8GB Ram Win7 Pro 64b SP1
MSI Z170-A Nvidia GTX960 Asus 27" 2560 x 1440

Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: DaveShopman on May 14, 2017, 12:18:59 PM
John:

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out! I just came from my local Staples store, and they don't have anything in the store, surprise, surprise!

Does it support two monitors? And do I want one that does? I don't know TC well enough right now to know if that is a feature I would benefit from...

Dave
Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: John R on May 14, 2017, 02:52:43 PM
John:

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out! I just came from my local Staples store, and they don't have anything in the store, surprise, surprise!

[color=crimson ]Does it support two monitors?[/color] And do I want one that does? I don't know TC well enough right now to know if that is a feature I would benefit from...

Dave

See the product images (http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/product-images) for the GTX 960; there's more than two monitor outputs available. See also the Specifications (http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/specifications) page.
Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: Jeffin90620 on May 14, 2017, 11:22:27 PM
... any thoughts on a decent graphics card in the $75~$150 price range that would be compatable with my older hardware...

An NVidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB will meet your needs.  NVidia licenses its designs to several vendors who do the manufacturing and sales, so the cheapest GTX 1050 Ti from a reputable company should fit your needs.  I saw the MSI version at Microcenter.com for $114 (others range closer to $149).

Verify that your motherboard has the same PCI 3.0 x16 capabilities (and the card will take two slot widths).

You could also check out the GTX 1050 (no "Ti").  Typically $30-$40 cheaper, but only 2 GB of memory and that can have an effect on render times if you use GPU rendering (for 2017, that would be the Advanced Rendering setting instead of the Quality Rendering setting).


Jeff
Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: DaveShopman on May 17, 2017, 05:29:17 PM
Thanks, Jeff!  That card is one that I came across recently, and was also suggested by an aquaintance that does contract IT work...

I also saw that card installed in a Dell machine advertised on Costco's websight.
Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: Jeffin90620 on May 18, 2017, 12:02:00 AM
A couple years ago, Tom's Hardware ran a comparison of many graphics cards with various CAD and other high-end graphics software.  Unfortunately, TurboCAD was not included in the comparison.  However, I did note that gaming cards were consistently rated higher than workstation cards (which have optimized drivers for OpenGL) for AutoCAD and some other software.  SolidWorks works better with workstation cards.  Some of what I found then is at this link: http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,16206.msg111627.html#msg111627 (http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,16206.msg111627.html#msg111627)

Some additional research indicates that OpenGL cards will work better with RedSDK (see http://www3.turbocadcommunity.com/tiki-index.php?page=Options+Native+Draw (http://www3.turbocadcommunity.com/tiki-index.php?page=Options+Native+Draw)).

A couple people here on the forums have listed Quadro (Workstation OpenGL) cards in their setups, but have not added their benchmarks (see http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,8615.msg94205.html (http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,8615.msg94205.html)).


Jeff

Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: MikeyC38 on May 18, 2017, 05:47:09 PM
A couple years ago, Tom's Hardware ran a comparison of many graphics cards with various CAD and other high-end graphics software.  Unfortunately, TurboCAD was not included in the comparison.  However, I did note that gaming cards were consistently rated higher than workstation cards (which have optimized drivers for OpenGL) for AutoCAD and some other software.  SolidWorks works better with workstation cards.  Some of what I found then is at this link: http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,16206.msg111627.html#msg111627 (http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,16206.msg111627.html#msg111627)

Some additional research indicates that OpenGL cards will work better with RedSDK (see http://www3.turbocadcommunity.com/tiki-index.php?page=Options+Native+Draw (http://www3.turbocadcommunity.com/tiki-index.php?page=Options+Native+Draw)).

A couple people here on the forums have listed Quadro (Workstation OpenGL) cards in their setups, but have not added their benchmarks (see http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,8615.msg94205.html (http://forums.turbocad.com/index.php/topic,8615.msg94205.html)).


Jeff

Hi Jeff. Thanks for your posts and the posts of others on this thread. I got the same Redsk error dialogue on my newly built Ryzen CAD Workstation fitted with a Firepro W4100 professional graphics card, with a view to improving performance under Turbocad Pro Plat v21.2. It was disappointing as the Firepro is a steup from the Nvidia GT550 I had before and is supported by AutoCAD, Solidworks etc. I guess I'll have to try the Turbocad Pro Plat 2017 demo to see if this uses my card to its full extent.
I'll try the test image as suggested in one of the posts in this thread and see what I get....

Regards
Mike Campbell
Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: Jeffin90620 on May 18, 2017, 06:04:44 PM
Hi Jeff. Thanks for your posts and the posts of others on this thread. I got the same Redsk error dialogue on my newly built Ryzen CAD Workstation fitted with a Firepro W4100 professional graphics card, with a view to improving performance under Turbocad Pro Plat v21.2. It was disappointing as the Firepro is a steup from the Nvidia GT550 I had before and is supported by AutoCAD, Solidworks etc. I guess I'll have to try the Turbocad Pro Plat 2017 demo to see if this uses my card to its full extent.
I'll try the test image as suggested in one of the posts in this thread and see what I get....

Prior to 2017, you had to go into the Render Manager settings and set a Radio Button (see the attached image) to use the GPU.  Its location probably varies version by version (I haven't checked), but the odds are that you have only been using the CPU during your renders, regardless of the video card in your system.  When I started setting that button, I got very different results, both in timing and coloration.


Jeff
Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: McSlash on May 18, 2017, 06:55:00 PM
I game with an MSi NVidia GEForce GTX960, and while it is not a 1080, it is a fast and capable card, unfortunately, V.19 in Lightworks doesn't use the card. As for inexpensive, I just picked up a EVGA NVidia GEForce 210 for $35, so a girlfriend could stream HD videos..
Title: Re: Cheap (?) Graphics card for TC 2017 Deluxe
Post by: DaveShopman on May 20, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
Hello all:

Came home with a Radeon RX460 4GB card today, and a new 600W power supply for my aging computer. Got both on sale for a total of $160.00. It's working pretty well, but I have a few glitches that my IT friend said is probably caused by the out-of-date CPU. Thanks to everyone for the support on the Forum. I'm working toward a new computer, and now I have the first new components. lol

Dave